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I just spent the last hour calculating how many people are in hell according to establishment christian theology

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Not crazy about Spong.

Some beleive the true "hell" is operational, so to speak in the end when Satan and his group are placed there.

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rob bell has some interesting takes of scriptures.

some think all who died remain at the bosom of abraham and at the end, they then go up for judgment.

so hard to say and i think the best path to take is just focus on Jesus. what did he do and how did he help people? you do that,you are going to do a pretty solid job of making a great impact without being a total jerk.

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so hard to say and i think the best path to take is just focus on Jesus. what did he do and how did he help people? you do that,you are going to do a pretty solid job of making a great impact without being a total jerk.

qft, though i think most christians would disagree with your underemphasis of rigid theology

@ stirs, re: spong i've only read jesus for the non-religious, so i can't really claim a full understanding of his belief system but it's pretty attractive to me as it provides a synthesis between modern understanding of the world and the original texts, which is antithetical to the theologies that insist on literal understandings of late paleolithic framework

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and you'd be wrong. just because the conclusion you currently have about modern christianity is what you think, it by no means it applies to so many.

look at your circle of friends who call themselves christians and i'm fairly certain there will be a few underlying common themes.

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and you'd be wrong. just because the conclusion you currently have about modern christianity is what you think, it by no means it applies to so many.

look at your circle of friends who call themselves christians and i'm fairly certain there will be a few underlying common themes.

i'm not saying all, i'm saying establishment christian theology, which i've defined as the tenets that underpin the evangelical movement (namely the doctrine of hell and salvation by grace through faith in the death and ressurection of jesus christ)

theologies that attempt to redefine the dynamic of hell doctrines are routinely rejected as "liberal" theology or some sort of apostacy.

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that's better. no i get what you are saying and i have been knee deep in that battle for 15 years now.

too many churches are fixted on theology as opposed to following Jesus. that is where people get in trouble and where religion becomes bigger than God.

it can be a double edge sword. you don't want to make it impossible for people to become a christian and you don't want it to be so watered down anyone can be.

what's interesting is this topic and what you said awhile back about buying land etc, goes right along with alot of my friends who want to do the same thing. sort of the immerging church thing.

someone needs to break down the walls of denominations. those factions and cliques do more harm than good and I'm pretty sure Jesus would be shaking his head.

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55 billion people burning in hell, but I KNOW my cute little kitty is up in kitty heaven now

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Your kitty is a grease spot on the road. Nothing more.

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who's making light of it? 57B ppl in hell is pretty dark. it raises a lot of serious theological implications. i'm sure you can see that

That, and the Christian God is omnipotent and all-knowing, so He knew that that would all end up in Hell. Nice guy huh?

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That, and the Christian God is omnipotent and all-knowing, so He knew that that would all end up in Hell. Nice guy huh?

the christian response would be that without free will man is just an automaton and that free will is the greatest act of love god could give. i'm not sure that's sufficient, as any god with any wisdom would know that varying factors would contribute to the fall of at least one man. why raise the stakes that high at all?

it just doesn't make sense

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i just can't see how free will and all-knowing can coexist. Either he knows that you will go to hell or he doesn't. they can't have it both ways.

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