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I just spent the last hour calculating how many people are in hell according to establishment christian theology

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My approach is, are you talking about FAITH/RELIGION or THE CHURCH?

Not trying to be preachy here, just my opinion... In saying that, one must divide FAITH from "the church" so to speak. My faith is Christianity, but that doesn't subscribe me to any one subset of denomination or their specific doctrines within the faith.

Being Christian requires you to accept salvation through the belief of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, and believe that he died for our sins. Once you accept salvation, TRY to live your life the way Jesus would and you are golden... Do you make mistakes? Sure. Perfect? Nope, and nowhere close. But, in that sense, I've done my part and continue to do so. So, I'm good. I'm doing my part as a Christian.

Aside from that, I don't know how I or any other Christian, could pretend to know what the criteria are for judgement. I've thought many a time about children born in a third-world country with no idea of what Christianity is, and what happens when they pass? Do they go to hell. I'm absolutely sure they don't. What about other people of other religions or non-believers who live morally strong lives? Do they go to hell? I really would have a hard time saying yes.

What I do know is that by our definition, salvation is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believing in his works. That's what I've done and that's what I talk with my friends about when they ask.

Now, could it be that when people leave the physical realm that they are met by God and asked whether they accept Jesus then? It's possible, I don't know. I just believe we are all presented with an opportunity at some point or another, even multiple opportunities (in life and possibly after), and therefore everyone will have an opportunity.

So, to assume everyone that has died that didn't adhere to what "the church" said went to hell is both inaccurate and unrealistic IMHO. Again, "the church" and religion/faith, are two very different concepts to me.

A doctrine is something developed by man, which isn't necessarily indicative or predicated by the religion itself, i.e. confessing for your sins to a priest in Catholicism. IMO, as a Christian, we can't just take what any one church, preacher, or theologian says as the one and only interpretation of what we believe. They are men, just as I am a man, and I have just as much authority in interpretation as they do within my faith. That's where I emphasize that each person's relationship with God is a personal walk. There are slight differences in understanding, actions, behaviors, etc., but so long as they have that relationship with God, then they are good while they are here in this life. What happens after, no one knows but I'd rather prepare myself beforehand and cover my bases. What I do know personally is that God is REAL, and the one I have followed has shown himself to me, and that is why I believe... All the other surrounding questions I may not have answers to, so as I said, I'm just doing my part.

Sorry for slightly digressing, but my point is just that - no one knows for certain what the criteria are for judgment, but believing certainly puts you in a good position going forward.

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I have used statistics from PRB (population reference bureau) to assemble a model of human proliferation based on a ~7,000 year old earth (in accordance with young-earth population models clung to by establishment Christian circles.

Then, adjusting for this understanding, I calculated the percentage of humans who, across time, would have fit the current establishment evangelical church's model of salvation that determine's one's place in eternity (namely, heaven or hell.)

Anyway I'm not really sure how much there is to discuss about this but I'm bored at work so there you have it

An hour better spent would be to decide if you want to spend time in hell or not.

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An hour better spent would be to decide if you want to spend time in hell or not.

the one precedes the other

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Its a party with the red goat man!

Most my family, Hendrix, most original Native Americans(savages) any babies that succombed to SIDs..Id rather hang with them with my invisible-floating being..than Billy Graham n Ronald Regan(Gods other son)

Also isnt the earth only 10,000 years old? This math is from Beezlebub's scientific calculator.

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Its a party with the red goat man!

Most my family, Hendrix, most original Native Americans(savages) any babies that succombed to SIDs..Id rather hang with them with my invisible-floating being..than Billy Graham n Ronald Regan(Gods other son)

Also isnt the earth only 10,000 years old? This math is from Beezlebub's scientific calculator.

LOL.

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Hoping you chose well.

that doesn't at all address the question I asked

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I notice all the religious people simply can't fathom someone spending a whole hour in search of facts and truth rather than just shrugging and believing what Pastor Baker says.

You wasted your time bro!

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I notice all the religious people simply can't fathom someone spending a whole hour in search of facts and truth rather than just shrugging and believing what Pastor Baker says.

You wasted your time bro!

Unfortunately, many of the most devout christians seem to consider critical thinking an enemy

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Pastor Baker is always wrong.

Keep searching philly, it will pay off.

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