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I just spent the last hour calculating how many people are in hell according to establishment christian theology

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if you believe in the Trinity then Jesus was around for the genocide he commanded on the Amalekites. you always bring up love mercy and grace but in all reality that concept is only a small fragment of what's in the Bible. you accept the in the Bible as the inspired Word of God yet you only pay attentionto a handful of text of your choosing that match your own morality. Your god simply reflects your own morality and beliefs.

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I dont think we can understand everything. But historically religion has hindered our scientific understanding of the world rather than help it whenever it disagrees with scripture. Hell just look at the middle east right now

I havent read the thread beyond this post so i apologize if this has been addressed

Historically religious groups have advanced our scientific understanding of the world. Sure, western Europe during the middle ages was a time when Christianity became ruled by man's inability to reason rather than scripture, and that is the exception rather than the norm.

I'm sure you're not going to discount all the medical advances made by Muslims, or the Catholic derived Big Bang Theory itself, are you?

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if you believe in the Trinity then Jesus was around for the genocide he commanded on the Amalekites. you always bring up love mercy and grace but in all reality that concept is only a small fragment of what's in the Bible. you accept the in the Bible as the inspired Word of God yet you only pay attentionto a handful of text of your choosing that match your own morality. Your god simply reflects your own morality and beliefs.

Sure cat.

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In response to the first post, those calculations are simply wrong. It's based on the wrong thinking. God judges us based on what we know. Yes it is true that according to what is taught in Scripture, Jesus is the Savior of the world. Yet who is Jesus? He is grace personified. We don't earn Jesus, we don't earn our salvation. Most think because people are born into another culture, when they die, they go to Hell because they didn't become believers while alive. In other words, they were born into the wrong culture, and the penalty is an eternity of seperation from God. Yet that is not what the Bible teaches at all. Saying we were born into the right culture, is saying we earned salvation from God. Yet if it's earned, then it's not grace.

So what I'm saying is, if a person never heard of Jesus, God takes that into account. If they were graceful to others, God will be graceful to them, and they can receive Jesus perhaps upon death. (I don't know exactly how this will work, but I imagine it was something like how all the old testament patrons died before Jesus arrived on the earth. They will have a chance to receive Jesus) There are no children in Hell, as children don't know anything, because remember God judges us based on what we know. Now once you know, you are going to be held accountable for that. With that said, not everyone has heard the true message of Jesus just yet, even people who have heard of this doctrine before haven't heard about who Jesus truly is.

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In response to the first post, those calculations are simply wrong. It's based on the wrong thinking. God judges us based on what we know. Yes it is true that according to what is taught in Scripture, Jesus is the Savior of the world. Yet who is Jesus? He is grace personified. We don't earn Jesus, we don't earn our salvation. Most think because people are born into another culture, when they die, they go to Hell because they didn't become believers while alive. In other words, they were born into the wrong culture, and the penalty is an eternity of seperation from God. Yet that is not what the Bible teaches at all. Saying we were born into the right culture, is saying we earned salvation from God. Yet if it's earned, then it's not grace.

So what I'm saying is, if a person never heard of Jesus, God takes that into account. If they were graceful to others, God will be graceful to them, and they can receive Jesus perhaps upon death. (I don't know exactly how this will work, but I imagine it was something like how all the old testament patrons died before Jesus arrived on the earth. They will have a chance to receive Jesus) There are no children in Hell, as children don't know anything, because remember God judges us based on what we know. Now once you know, you are going to be held accountable for that. With that said, not everyone has heard the true message of Jesus just yet, even people who have heard of this doctrine before haven't heard about who Jesus truly is.

if the number was generously reduced to one billion people, reflecting the most lax, liberal theological understanding of salvation requirements one could imagine, would that negate the point behind the post?

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if the number was generously reduced to one billion people, reflecting the most lax, liberal theological understanding of salvation requirements one could imagine, would that negate the point behind the post?

You should be studying.

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If there was a God, would his existence depend on our approval?

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In response to the first post, those calculations are simply wrong. It's based on the wrong thinking. God judges us based on what we know. Yes it is true that according to what is taught in Scripture, Jesus is the Savior of the world. Yet who is Jesus? He is grace personified. We don't earn Jesus, we don't earn our salvation. Most think because people are born into another culture, when they die, they go to Hell because they didn't become believers while alive. In other words, they were born into the wrong culture, and the penalty is an eternity of seperation from God. Yet that is not what the Bible teaches at all. Saying we were born into the right culture, is saying we earned salvation from God. Yet if it's earned, then it's not grace.

So what I'm saying is, if a person never heard of Jesus, God takes that into account. If they were graceful to others, God will be graceful to them, and they can receive Jesus perhaps upon death. (I don't know exactly how this will work, but I imagine it was something like how all the old testament patrons died before Jesus arrived on the earth. They will have a chance to receive Jesus) There are no children in Hell, as children don't know anything, because remember God judges us based on what we know. Now once you know, you are going to be held accountable for that. With that said, not everyone has heard the true message of Jesus just yet, even people who have heard of this doctrine before haven't heard about who Jesus truly is.

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I still have yet to hear an explanation on how modern religious folk can just disregard cultures that predate the ones that created their religions by thousands of years.

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You should be studying.

i'm done for the moment thank god. after four hours of sleep two days ago i got off work at 2am last night and worked on my poo until 2pm and now i've just got to suffer through the shift before i can finally go crash. it paid off though, my work is being posted in the university's deparmental information display. mayan hieroglyphs and social structure ftw

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If there was a God, would his existence depend on our approval?

of course not, but a challenge to theology =/= a challenge to the existence of god. those are two completely different planes

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