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#1 panther4life

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

Many are advocating cutting Williams as he would save us as much as 5 million against this years cap and 2.8 million 14. For a total savings us 7.8 million over the next 2 years and then his full hit of 10.2 million in 15. For a grand total of 18 million thru 15.

Conversely we can cut Beason and save 5.5 million this year and then 2.75 in 14. For a total of 8.25 over the next 2 years and a grand total of 20 million thru 15.

It more savings in the short term and long term.

Can anyone argue Beason has more value to this team than Williams does at this point?

Basically we make 3 cuts(Gamble,Ron Edwards,and Beason). These 3 moves would save 15.9 million. Putting us roughly 6 million under the cap.

Then we can still restructure Gross and lower his cap figure a ton and then release some other scrubs and now were ready to go make some improvements in free agency.

Thoughts?

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:14 PM

No.... We would take a cap hit if we cut Beason or Williams IIRC

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:20 PM

No.... We would take a cap hit if we cut Beason or Williams IIRC


Not if they were June 1st cuts.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:20 PM

My thoughts are your numbers are all over the place and you throw around savings as if we are actually saving money which we aren't. We will have a ton of dead cap space no matter which we get rid of. 9.6 million if we get rid of Williams and 12 million in signing bonus and 3.5 million of his 2013 salary or 15 million dollars for Beason. Even at a June 1st cut it would be 7.5 million this year and 8 million next.
If we cut Beason before June 1st then we have a cap hit of 15.4 million. Even as a June 1st cut we don't save much of anything this year as 4 million of the cap will escalate as a June 1st cut plus 3.5 million of this year's salary which is guaranteed. So the cost is 7.5 million versus a cap hit of 9.5 million or a savings of 2 million not 5 or 6 as you threw out there.
Again we don't have the players so we are saving nothing. We have dead cap space of 15 million or 10 million. I don't like either of them being cut unless we can't restructure them. Restructuring is the only way it makes sense for either of them.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:20 PM

Not this again.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:28 PM

Not this again.

Good point I am going to leave this poo alone and let Gettleman do his job.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

My thoughts are your numbers are all over the place and you throw around savings as if we are actually saving money which we aren't. We will have a ton of dead cap space no matter which we get rid of. 9.6 million if we get rid of Williams and 12 million in signing bonus and 3.5 million of his 2013 salary or 15 million dollars for Beason. Even at a June 1st cut it would be 7.5 million this year and 8 million next.

Again we don't have the players so we are saving nothing. We have dead cap space of 15 million or 10 million. I don't like either of them being cut unless we can't restructure them. Restructuring is the only way it makes sense for either of them.


Restructuring is what we did with Stewart....it is a basically Hunrey magic. It is just done to help a franchise maneuver....player basically either improves his short term scenario or nothing really changes.

Beason and Williams restructures need to be referred to as pay cuts. No way to Hurney magic it. They simply need to take less. Players don't like it....bc it is normally well known they have been asked to play for cheaper (like Nnamdi in Philly....take a payout bc you haven't given us what we paid for already).

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

Restructuring is what we did with Stewart....it is a basically Hunrey magic. It is just done to help a franchise maneuver....player basically either improves his short term scenario or nothing really changes.

Beason and Williams restructures need to be referred to as pay cuts. No way to Hurney magic it. They simply need to take less. Players don't like it....bc it is normally well known they have been asked to play for cheaper (like Nnamdi in Philly....take a payout bc you haven't given us what we paid for already).


Restructures where you convert future non-guaranteed salary into option bonuses in later years keeps the total compensation the same, saves cap room, and by converting some of the current salary into a signing bonus the player gets more money up front in lieu of money he was likely never going to see. That isn't a pay cut given he gets more money up front this year he just sacrifices some non guaranteed money on the back end. It is a restructure as I said it was. It saves us cap room and mitigates the dead cap space if we release him down the road.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:44 PM

Good point I am going to leave this poo alone and let Gettleman do his job.

He's done a great job so far... Honestly didn't expect this since he was supposedly not a cap guy but what he says makes sense talking about not only thinking about this season but further cap situations as well

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

He's done a great job so far... Honestly didn't expect this since he was supposedly not a cap guy but what he says makes sense talking about not only thinking about this season but further cap situations as well

He hasn't done anything yet...

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:45 PM

it's difficult to take a cap hit in 2013 and 2014 just to say you got a little relief. You keep a usable player until he's cuttable. That's next year for both DW and Beason, but hopefully Beason is able to make it happen to stay long term.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:47 PM

He hasn't done anything yet...

Restructured Stewart, Kalil, and Nakamura's contracts getting three veterans to restructure is doing something

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

Restructured Stewart, Kalil, and Nakamura's contracts getting three veterans to restructure is doing something


Technically he did something.....he hasn't touched any of the problems yet. Nothing done to suggest he is good or bad.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

Not this again.



lol, as has been hashed over, Beason's contract is even more toxic to the Cap than DWill's would be.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:51 PM

it's difficult to take a cap hit in 2013 and 2014 just to say you got a little relief. You keep a usable player until he's cuttable. That's next year for both DW and Beason, but hopefully Beason is able to make it happen to stay long term.


Tough to keep paying guys so much for so little....when big picture your team as a whole gets handicapped bc of it.

Teams eat money all the time. Worth it often....big picture.

Williams' deal as of now is on pace to be probably the 2nd worst in Panther history


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