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Then I'd say you simply dont understand structure,

If the GM and Head Coach dont share similar philosophies, why then you have what we've had the last 2 years.

Failure.

Let's do what P55 suggests, wait and see.

I agree the result was failure...

Personally, I don't like the GM implying he somehow has something to do with what is going to happen on the field. That is the first thing I have seen/heard I haven't like about him....

I do want to wait and see...his Newton usage comments are potentially worrisome. Sounds as if he has no idea what he has

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Then I'd say you simply dont understand structure,

If the GM and Head Coach dont share similar philosophies, why then you have what we've had the last 2 years.

Failure.

Let's do what P55 suggests, wait and see.

The way i see it. The two (HC/GM) come together to see what personnel best fits what the COACH is trying to do, not the other way around. They do need to share philosophies, which from what i have heard they do, but ultimately it is the coaches who have control of what happens on the field.

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CRA believes ya should never reward a young player with a bigger contract, then the moment he feels he is worth to much, just cut them.

NFL doesn't work that way.

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CRA believes ya should never reward a young player with a bigger contract, then the moment he feels he is worth to much, just cut them.

NFL doesn't work that way.

Not true...just RBs. I don't think you extend them past there rookie deals in today's NFL with big contracts with a few exceptions. Those would be teams with no QB, a stud RB, and the team is going to live and die on handing it off.

If you have a QB, just draft or pickup decent backs and invest in your OL.

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I agree the result was failure...

Personally, I don't like the GM implying he somehow has something to do with what is going to happen on the field. That is the first thing I have seen/heard I haven't like about him....

I do want to wait and see...his Newton usage comments are potentially worrisome. Sounds as if he has no idea what he has

Of course the GM and head coach have to be in the same playbook philosophically as well as understanding what kind of scheme and plays we are going to run. The GM has to get the players to make the scheme work and GMs are going to be involved in how their players are going to used. he gets the players that Rivera uses. He has to know what skill sets are going to be needed and won't want the coach to take unnecessary risks with franchise players like Newton. Gettleman is Rivera's boss and has every right to tell Rivera not to expose his franchise quarterback to risks if he feels that is in Newton's best interest. He is paid to make those decisions and right or wrong needs to do what he is getting paid to do.

Most people don't agree with you that Newton should be a primary ball carrier and run 200 times a season.

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The way i see it. The two (HC/GM) come together to see what personnel best fits what the COACH is trying to do, not the other way around. They do need to share philosophies, which from what i have heard they do, but ultimately it is the coaches who have control of what happens on the field.

The GM is the boss. Gettleman hasn't ever called plays and won't now but he will tell Rivera whether to run Cam or not to protect him from getting hurt. Coaches manage the details but GMs control the big picture.

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Of course the GM and head coach have to be in the same playbook philosophically as well as understanding what kind of scheme and plays we are going to run. The GM has to get the players to make the scheme work and GMs are going to be involved in how their players are going to used. he gets the players that Rivera uses. He has to know what skill sets are going to be needed and won't want the coach to take unnecessary risks with franchise players like Newton. Gettleman is Rivera's boss and has every right to tell Rivera not to expose his franchise quarterback to risks if he feels that is in Newton's best interest. He is paid to make those decisions and right or wrong needs to do what he is getting paid to do.

Most people don't agree with you that Newton should be a primary ball carrier and run 200 times a season.

I don't like the term primary ball carrier....key cog is more appropriate.

Newton has always been that...it isn't changing next year IMO. Newton's running threat is what makes him special. Not wanting him to be special bc you are worried about a 2 yr old brick house getting hurt ....seems like Gettlemen is stuck in the old way of things. Ron/Cam IMO will wake him up in think...

Rivera likely is a lame duck however ...which is a shame. I personally believe in Ron. He just needs a more complete team. I think he is a good coach unlike many

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The GM is the boss. Gettleman hasn't ever called plays and won't now but he will tell Rivera whether to run Cam or not to protect him from getting hurt. Coaches manage the details but GMs control the big picture.

What you are suggesting has failure all over it.

GM does control the big picture. That doesn't include telling coaches how they will and won't run their offense.

If the GM thinks he can tell RR to not run Cam in 2013...we need a new GM.

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The GM is the boss. Gettleman hasn't ever called plays and won't now but he will tell Rivera whether to run Cam or not to protect him from getting hurt. Coaches manage the details but GMs control the big picture.

I see what you are saying. But the coaches decide how many designed "run" plays Cam is going to get. Obviously they don't want him to get hurt, but you have to utilize Cam's multi-dimensional talent. So Gettleman can say, no Cam is not running the ball anymore and that's final? You said that the GM controls the big picture, when in reality what you are saying is that the GM has a say in what plays are called (the details). I know we can debate this to death, but thats kind of how I took it anyway.

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I don't like the term primary ball carrier....key cog is more appropriate.

Newton has always been that...it isn't changing next year IMO. Newton's running threat is what makes him special. Not wanting him to be special bc you are worried about a 2 yr old brick house getting hurt ....seems like Gettlemen is stuck in the old way of things. Ron/Cam IMO will wake him up in think...

Rivera likely is a lame duck however ...which is a shame. I personally believe in Ron. He just needs a more complete team. I think he is a good coach unlike many

I don't think Gettleman is necessarily stuck in the old way of things. He has voiced what pretty much a lot of us have said. That the read option is good as just that, an option.

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I don't think Gettleman is necessarily stuck in the old way of things. He has voiced what pretty much a lot of us have said. That the read option is good as just that, an option.

I agree. Was an option in 2011, was an option for 3 who made the post season this year. Newton asked for it in 2011....Chud didn't bring it here.

Cam will continue to run. He will call his own number, designed, breakdowns, whatever. Cam runs.

Hell at 37 years old, Steve Young ran 70 times in 15 games. Steve ran....always did. You don't just have a multi theat guy not run bc not running works for guys who can't run.

Gettlemen isn't shutting Cam down. That is Ron's QB....Ron and Cam ain't taking the wheels off. Wheels didn't come off once Ron calmed Chud's over played read zone stuff down.

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I agree. Was an option in 2011, was an option for 3 who made the post season this year. Newton asked for it in 2011....Chud didn't bring it here.

Cam will continue to run. He will call his own number, designed, breakdowns, whatever. Cam runs.

Hell at 37 year old, Steve Young ran 70 times in 15 games. Steve ran....always did.

Gettlemen isn't shutting Cam down. That is Ron's QB....Ron and Cam ain't taking the wheels off. Wheels didn't come off once Ron calmed Chud's over played read zone stuff down.

Yea i grew up watching Steve Young in Cali. Guy had a lot of concussions. Obviously don't want that for Cam, but its the nature of the beast.

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