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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:17 PM

Again, when the new GM makes his moves and we start the 2013 season you can then state he believes X and Y.....

You don't know what the heck he is going to do to this current roster.....prior to the 2013 season. You keep stating his beliefs are yours heading into this upcoming year....which is an impossible statement to make. Maybe in the next 3 weeks
we will learn his approach to all this

Cutting Williams certainly is realistic....which is why so many who aren't Panther fans and report on the NFL keep talking about it....

Beason is a different ball of wax....


We will all wait and see what he does. Too bad when once again I am proven correct, I will still have to suffer hundreds of your posts to the contrary. Cutting Williams as anything other than a June 1st cut won't happen. I will go one further and say he won't be a June 1st cut unless they can't agree on a restructure. Why don't we both say nothing more about his contract until we find out who is right.... I know I can do that.... I don't think you can make it 3 posts.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:24 PM

The management tree goes Owner/GM/Coach for a reason.
It's pretty obvious there was a disconnect the last couple of years between the way Hurney stacked the roster and how Rivera and/or Chudzinski utilized that roster on Gamedays.

If the GM wants Cam in the pocket because he is invaluable to this Franchise in the long term our idiot Head Coach better pay attention.
Or expect to be in the unemployment line sooner rather than later.


The plays on the field go HC/OC.....Gettlemen ain't in the equation. Just like Hurney wasn't,

If Gettlemen thinks Cam should play like Eli....then there is a reason no one gave the dinosaur consideration for a gig besides our beloved Mr. Pie Chart.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:35 PM

We will all wait and see what he does. Too bad when once again I am proven correct, I will still have to suffer hundreds of your posts to the contrary. Cutting Williams as anything other than a June 1st cut won't happen. I will go one further and say he won't be a June 1st cut unless they can't agree on a restructure. Why don't we both say nothing more about his contract until we find out who is right.... I know I can do that.... I don't think you can make it 3 posts.

LOL. I have never suggested cutting Williams as anything but a June 1 cut. I also said the new GM will tell him to rip up his deal and take a clear pay cut or be cut....

Bookmark that. No Williams talk until we see what the GM does.

Pretty sure I was right to date....that signing both RBs would be an utter disaster.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:42 PM

LOL. I have never suggested cutting Williams as anything but a June 1 cut. I also said the new GM will tell him to rip up his deal and take a clear pay cut or be cut....

Bookmark that. No Williams talk until we see what the GM does.

Pretty sure I was right to date....that signing both RBs would be an utter disaster.

No you were wrong on all fronts. it hasn't cost us that much to keep both up to now asStewart has been very cheap. Once this get restructured it will be reasonable again. Once we go back to more of a power running attack and William shines again, most posters will be glad we kept both given we had little choice anyway. Lets see if you continue to bitch or not........

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:43 PM

No you were wrong on all fronts. it hasn't cost us that much to keep both up to now asStewart has been very cheap. Once this get restructured it will be reasonable again. Once we go back to more of a power running attack and William shines again, most posters will be glad we kept both given we had little choice anyway. Lets see if you continue to bitch or not........


There you go...

Talking about what you just said you wouldn't

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

The plays on the field go HC/OC.....Gettlemen ain't in the equation. Just like Hurney wasn't,

If Gettlemen thinks Cam should play like Eli....then there is a reason no one gave the dinosaur consideration for a gig besides our beloved Mr. Pie Chart.


Then I'd say you simply dont understand structure,
If the GM and Head Coach dont share similar philosophies, why then you have what we've had the last 2 years.
Failure.

Let's do what P55 suggests, wait and see.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:59 PM

Then I'd say you simply dont understand structure,
If the GM and Head Coach dont share similar philosophies, why then you have what we've had the last 2 years.
Failure.

Let's do what P55 suggests, wait and see.


I agree the result was failure...

Personally, I don't like the GM implying he somehow has something to do with what is going to happen on the field. That is the first thing I have seen/heard I haven't like about him....

I do want to wait and see...his Newton usage comments are potentially worrisome. Sounds as if he has no idea what he has

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:59 PM

Then I'd say you simply dont understand structure,
If the GM and Head Coach dont share similar philosophies, why then you have what we've had the last 2 years.
Failure.

Let's do what P55 suggests, wait and see.


The way i see it. The two (HC/GM) come together to see what personnel best fits what the COACH is trying to do, not the other way around. They do need to share philosophies, which from what i have heard they do, but ultimately it is the coaches who have control of what happens on the field.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:08 AM

CRA believes ya should never reward a young player with a bigger contract, then the moment he feels he is worth to much, just cut them.


NFL doesn't work that way.




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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:13 AM

CRA believes ya should never reward a young player with a bigger contract, then the moment he feels he is worth to much, just cut them.


NFL doesn't work that way.


Not true...just RBs. I don't think you extend them past there rookie deals in today's NFL with big contracts with a few exceptions. Those would be teams with no QB, a stud RB, and the team is going to live and die on handing it off.

If you have a QB, just draft or pickup decent backs and invest in your OL.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:16 AM

I agree the result was failure...

Personally, I don't like the GM implying he somehow has something to do with what is going to happen on the field. That is the first thing I have seen/heard I haven't like about him....

I do want to wait and see...his Newton usage comments are potentially worrisome. Sounds as if he has no idea what he has


Of course the GM and head coach have to be in the same playbook philosophically as well as understanding what kind of scheme and plays we are going to run. The GM has to get the players to make the scheme work and GMs are going to be involved in how their players are going to used. he gets the players that Rivera uses. He has to know what skill sets are going to be needed and won't want the coach to take unnecessary risks with franchise players like Newton. Gettleman is Rivera's boss and has every right to tell Rivera not to expose his franchise quarterback to risks if he feels that is in Newton's best interest. He is paid to make those decisions and right or wrong needs to do what he is getting paid to do.

Most people don't agree with you that Newton should be a primary ball carrier and run 200 times a season.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:19 AM

The way i see it. The two (HC/GM) come together to see what personnel best fits what the COACH is trying to do, not the other way around. They do need to share philosophies, which from what i have heard they do, but ultimately it is the coaches who have control of what happens on the field.

The GM is the boss. Gettleman hasn't ever called plays and won't now but he will tell Rivera whether to run Cam or not to protect him from getting hurt. Coaches manage the details but GMs control the big picture.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:22 AM

Of course the GM and head coach have to be in the same playbook philosophically as well as understanding what kind of scheme and plays we are going to run. The GM has to get the players to make the scheme work and GMs are going to be involved in how their players are going to used. he gets the players that Rivera uses. He has to know what skill sets are going to be needed and won't want the coach to take unnecessary risks with franchise players like Newton. Gettleman is Rivera's boss and has every right to tell Rivera not to expose his franchise quarterback to risks if he feels that is in Newton's best interest. He is paid to make those decisions and right or wrong needs to do what he is getting paid to do.

Most people don't agree with you that Newton should be a primary ball carrier and run 200 times a season.


I don't like the term primary ball carrier....key cog is more appropriate.

Newton has always been that...it isn't changing next year IMO. Newton's running threat is what makes him special. Not wanting him to be special bc you are worried about a 2 yr old brick house getting hurt ....seems like Gettlemen is stuck in the old way of things. Ron/Cam IMO will wake him up in think...

Rivera likely is a lame duck however ...which is a shame. I personally believe in Ron. He just needs a more complete team. I think he is a good coach unlike many

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:31 AM

The GM is the boss. Gettleman hasn't ever called plays and won't now but he will tell Rivera whether to run Cam or not to protect him from getting hurt. Coaches manage the details but GMs control the big picture.

What you are suggesting has failure all over it.

GM does control the big picture. That doesn't include telling coaches how they will and won't run their offense.

If the GM thinks he can tell RR to not run Cam in 2013...we need a new GM.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:35 AM

The GM is the boss. Gettleman hasn't ever called plays and won't now but he will tell Rivera whether to run Cam or not to protect him from getting hurt. Coaches manage the details but GMs control the big picture.


I see what you are saying. But the coaches decide how many designed "run" plays Cam is going to get. Obviously they don't want him to get hurt, but you have to utilize Cam's multi-dimensional talent. So Gettleman can say, no Cam is not running the ball anymore and that's final? You said that the GM controls the big picture, when in reality what you are saying is that the GM has a say in what plays are called (the details). I know we can debate this to death, but thats kind of how I took it anyway.


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