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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

It doesn't work that way. Paying him hs money and keeping a good player is cheaper than cutting him, tying up dead money in cap and signing someone else to fill the roster spot. Oh and who are you gonna fill the roster spot with because he damn sure better be as good at his position as deangelo.


It certainly can work that way.....that is exactly what Nnamdi is being told in Philly.

Williams is good....overrated though. Not worth his check here. Most of that isn't his fault but still a reality.

A solid S > Williams for example....when looking at the overall good of the team. Makes the collective team better. That S doesn't have to be better than him in a vacuum.

Solid S plays every snap at a huge weakness. Williams carries can be split and taken by VERY good runners.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:31 PM

If doesn't take a paycut....he should be cut. Bottom line.


If he isn't restructured he will be cut as a June 1st.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:39 PM

How about no... Beason will finally be playing at the position he's best suited for.

A Beason/Kuechly/Anderson/Davis LB corp will be something to marvel at.

You will not be able to keep both Anderson/Beason.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:41 PM

It certainly can work that way.....that is exactly what Nnamdi is being told in Philly.

Williams is good....overrated though. Not worth his check here. Most of that isn't his fault but still a reality.

A solid S > Williams for example....when looking at the overall good of the team. Makes the collective team better. That S doesn't have to be better than him in a vacuum.

Solid S plays every snap at a huge weakness. Williams carries can be split and taken by VERY good runners.


Actually safeties don't take half of the snaps of the team. Secondly they aren't involved in every defensive play for example if they are lined up in cover 2 on a running play. Thirdly we have safeties who came in and were decent when Nakumura went to the bench and we will be picking up another one or two in the draft or free agency. A starting running back and a starting or back-up free safety have little in common.

Comparing Williams value to a safeties value as if they are related at all is ridiculous The whole we should cut Williams and use the money on a safety was a stupid argument when you made it. Going further down the road with it makes no more sense than before. Williams is an electric game changer who scores points and moves the ball. A free safety might get 1 or 2 picks a year and at best doesn't screw up or give up the long pass. We aren't talking Ed Reed here.

Running backs play less downs than a defensive starter but they play less than a right guard as well. Anyone think that we should dump Williams to add a back-up right guard?? Running backs are impact players who are valued for what they do to change a game. Offensive guards and free safeties if they are doing their job don't call attention to themselves by screwing up.

And no I am not going to debate this on and on, just wanted you know that there are those of us out there who don't think the argument has any legs so don't keep parading it out there as if it is a fact.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:49 PM

You will not be able to keep both Anderson/Beason.

Anderson is cheap for a starting LB and Beason can't really be cut. We will likely restructure them. But most likely they will both be on the team.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:05 PM

If he isn't restructured he will be cut as a June 1st.


if he doesn't take a paycut....he will be cut as a June 1st.

There are restutructures.....and there who are guys asked to take paycuts. Most guys have little issue w/ your standard Hurney magic type restrutures.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:09 PM

Actually safeties don't take half of the snaps of the team. Secondly they aren't involved in every defensive play for example if they are lined up in cover 2 on a running play. Thirdly we have safeties who came in and were decent when Nakumura went to the bench and we will be picking up another one or two in the draft or free agency. A starting running back and a starting or back-up free safety have little in common.

Comparing Williams value to a safeties value as if they are related at all is ridiculous The whole we should cut Williams and use the money on a safety was a stupid argument when you made it. Going further down the road with it makes no more sense than before. Williams is an electric game changer who scores points and moves the ball. A free safety might get 1 or 2 picks a year and at best doesn't screw up or give up the long pass. We aren't talking Ed Reed here.

Running backs play less downs than a defensive starter but they play less than a right guard as well. Anyone think that we should dump Williams to add a back-up right guard?? Running backs are impact players who are valued for what they do to change a game. Offensive guards and free safeties if they are doing their job don't call attention to themselves by screwing up.

And no I am not going to debate this on and on, just wanted you know that there are those of us out there who don't think the argument has any legs so don't keep parading it out there as if it is a fact.


Williams isn't a starting featured RB. You seem to forget that when you start rambling.

Filling a hole with a strong player that plays for the overwelming majority of the snaps....is more important than keeping Williams to be a luxury RB touching the ball 5 times a game and playing 25% of the snaps. Stewart, Tolbert and Cam can split those couple reps Williams would get. Even with Williams reps split among those others....Stewart still wouldn't even be getting a load he is paid for.

You argue points no one makes. Should we dump Williams for a backup RG? Heck no, we should dump him for a quality STARTER on the line.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:37 PM

if he doesn't take a paycut....he will be cut as a June 1st.

There are restutructures.....and there who are guys asked to take paycuts. Most guys have little issue w/ your standard Hurney magic type restrutures.


Sp who is your inside source to Gettleman, or are you making it up as you go??

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

Williams isn't a starting featured RB. You seem to forget that when you start rambling.

Filling a hole with a strong player that plays for the overwelming majority of the snaps....is more important than keeping Williams to be a luxury RB touching the ball 5 times a game and playing 25% of the snaps. Stewart, Tolbert and Cam can split those couple reps Williams would get. Even with Williams reps split among those others....Stewart still wouldn't even be getting a load he is paid for.

You argue points no one makes. Should we dump Williams for a backup RG? Heck no, we should dump him for a quality STARTER on the line.


Williams started 10 of the 16 games. That makes him the starter and he was featured for most of the year. Stewart is an unknown coming off surgery, Newton will be in the pocket most of the time according to the GM and Tolbert ran a total of 54 carries out of a total of what?? 500 carries???

Williams is actually going to split the carries Newton used to get assuming Stewart comes back 100% which isn't guaranteed.

You keep making stuff up and saying it over and over as if it is fact when it usually is just your wishful thinking.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:22 PM

SB winners have depth. Its very unusual to go through a season with no injury issues right? Say you replace Williams with someone else and Stew goes down game 3. Now all of sudden our run game could potentially blow. How bad would that be for the offense? mmm very bad I'd say. New back, new teammate, new to playing with Cam. Man those are a lot of risks to compare with just keeping Williams and playing ball.


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