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Mr. Scot

Burning it all down

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JR needs to win now. He had enough time to plan for hte lockout and fug the Panthers. We just had one of the lowest caps in the NFL and JR incompetence by putting the wrong people in place has cost us...again. JR can't just keep starting over. Even still he somehow finds love among his fans, another 'do over' is getting a bit rediculous don't you guys think? How many do overs until people realize the problem sits at the TOP. No amount of do overs will fix the huge issue at the head. In the mean time we have to deal with it and hope JR doesn't need another 09 and 10 season.

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JR needs to win now. He had enough time to plan for hte lockout and fug the Panthers. We just had one of the lowest caps in the NFL and JR incompetence by putting the wrong people in place has cost us...again. JR can't just keep starting over. Even still he somehow finds love among his fans, another 'do over' is getting a bit rediculous don't you guys think?

He just hired a new GM...to fix it all. That screams a do over sooner or later. Rearanging Marty's guys isn't the most likely outcome.

Biggest mistake JR made was not keeping Fox/Hunrey a package deal. New GM when Fox was fired would have started gutting Marty/Fox guys for his own players and for his new coach.

We are still plaqued by the Fox era

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How important is "winning now" vs building a team that can contend every year?

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No it wouldn't, that's not a bad contract. To someone not a Panthers fan it looks like a fat over rated paycheck but that man is gonna earn it and he is still very young.

Exactly, people can get by complaining about beason, D Will, and Gamble but we are not getting rid of CJ.

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He just hired a new GM...to fix it all. That screams a do over sooner or later. Rearanging Marty's guys isn't the most likely outcome.

Biggest mistake JR made was not keeping Fox/Hunrey a package deal. New GM when Fox was fired would have started gutting Marty/Fox guys for his own players and for his new coach.

We are still plaqued by the Fox era

Agreed. JR holds on too long and he will hold onto these players too long it seems because I also agree that Gettleman screams do over NOW (why later? hasn't that been the issue?). But it isn't happening. Keeping the coach is indicitive of that. JR will hold on too long there, as well, once again. I have a feeling Gettleman has little say in some areas of this team, sadly. If Gettleman is to fix it all why is he stuck with Hurney's hires? Like I said the issue is at the top, no amount of do overs will fix that.

How important is "winning now" vs building a team that can contend every year?

Has to be put into context. Winning now is extremeley important because JR is clinging to the coahes and players. He is not allowing a total rebuild. This is not even taking into account his ability to do what you say, build a contender for years to come/every year, when has our owner shown the ability to do that?? I'll take as many wins as I can get from this FO because frankly, I don't see the Panther's owner as having the ability to build a true, consistent contender. He really never has and has not hired others to do it/allowed to do it either. I don't see that being a possability until a new owner steps in.

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If they did this where I work...I would be out of a job, along with many others. Although the boss would save some hefty $$ he wouldn't survive to see 2014.

I want the best for the team but I think we will have to meet somewhere between the two extremes.

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Are we talking every Marty contract including Olsen, Kalil, Johnson, and Gross? Because I still want those guys. Or are we just getting the bad Goddfrey, Williams, etc. money off the books?

Either way, I'd probably just stay put. It's the NFL and any team in the playoffs has a chance. Plus bad contracts aren't the albatross in this league that they are in say basketball or hockey.

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Are we talking every Marty contract including Olsen, Kalil, Johnson, and Gross? Because I still want those guys. Or are we just getting the bad Goddfrey, Williams, etc. money off the books?

Either way, I'd probably just stay put. It's the NFL and any team in the playoffs has a chance. Plus bad contracts aren't the albatross in this league that they are in say basketball or hockey.

I think he is talking about the shock and awe contracts after 2010.

So that wouldn't include Olsen, Gross, Kalil

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Worth remembering: It's been written that some of these contracts are set to hurt us next year just as bad or worse than this year.

maybe a few, but for all 2011 contracts, that initial bonus is on year 4. Since it would count next year anyway (under the idea all of them are here through the end of '13) for all of that proration, the only acceleration is from year 5/2015. Excluding the other bonuses, of course, but still. Almost every contract there is more cuttable by '14. If Rivera doesn't work out, there's going to be a lot of turnover.

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