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#25 Mr. Scot

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:54 PM

Nope, because that would mean getting rid of Charles, helllllll no.


No it wouldn't, that's not a bad contract. To someone not a Panthers fan it looks like a fat over rated paycheck but that man is gonna earn it and he is still very young.


It's an important distinction.

Is Charles Johnson's contract one of the "bad" contracts?

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:57 PM

It's an important distinction.

Is Charles Johnson's contract one of the "bad" contracts?


No way, Mr. Scot

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

It's an important distinction.

Is Charles Johnson's contract one of the "bad" contracts?

Depends on whether he stay productive or not. Was he overpaid and was too much money guaranteed?? Absolutely... Would cutting him be disasterous to the cap? Of course.
But he was productive so instead of castigating him everyone is on board. So if he stays productive it may be an expensive but worthwhile expenditure. But if like Beason he gets hurt with an injury like a knee or achilles, the contract suddenly becomes the worse contract of the bunch.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

It's an important distinction.

Is Charles Johnson's contract one of the "bad" contracts?


It is a bad contract.....but one of the better ones. He is good, produces, young, and healthy. Can't say that about the real bad ones

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:56 PM

On another board we were kicking around the idea of "amnesty". Every team gets one contract a year they can burn if they choose no matter how big it is, meaning they can trade or cut one player & no cap hit. The contract simply voids & the money is just freed up. I'd love it but I can't see the player's union ever allowing it.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:12 AM

2014 Cap Hits

Marty's payday bunch

Godfrey - 7.1 million
DeAngelo - 9.1 million
Big Money - 15 million
Beason - 10.75 million
Anderson - 5.4 million
Stewart - 6 million (prior to his restructure but I don't think it changes much)

They are all set to hurt us worse

Anderson has got to go

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:15 AM

Anderson has got to go

Godfrey too...he wil be getting paid like he is some sort of young Ed Reed in 2014

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:25 AM

I think we need a good balance between long term planning and "win now" moves. Under Hurney there were far too many moves that screwed us in the future just so we could be slightly better for the present, like trading away future picks and constantly restructuring contracts to push cap hits into the future. That type of approach never gives you consistent long term success.

Specifically I'd say dump some of the really bad contracts for guys that we don't need, Anderson, DWill, Gamble and maybe a couple more, to set us up better for long term. But I don't think we need to throw away this season completely, have a massive cut spree like in 2010 and go into full rebuild mode.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:30 AM

Cam is in a critical stage of his development, I wouldn't want to mess that up by stripping this team down.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:38 AM

How important is "winning now" vs building a team that can contend every year?



Either is better than what we have been doing the past 4 years, which is... neither.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:01 AM

CJ didn't earn his pay either in my opinion.

No sacred cows, not on a sub 500 team

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:20 AM

CJ didn't earn his pay either in my opinion.

No sacred cows, not on a sub 500 team


Except that he was second amoung sacks for defensive ends and had more than any of the other top 10 money guys at the position.

Defensive End Salaries by year:

Name-----------------Sacks last year---------------Salary
1. Mario Williams------------10.5 sacks----------16 Million this year
2. Julius Peppers-----------11.5 sacks-----------14 Milion this year
3. Charles Johnson--------12.5 sacks------------12,666,667 this year
4. Jared Allen----------------12 sacks-------------12,210,012 this year
5. Chris Long-----------------11.5 sacks------------12,062,000 this year
6. Tamba Hali-----------------9 sacks---------------11,500,000 this year
7. Calais Campbell-----------6.5 sacks-------------11 Million this year
8. Tyson Jackson--------------3 sacks--------------10,985,000 this year
9. Elvis Dummervill------------11 sacks-----------------10,250,000 this year
10. Will Smith----------------10 sacks----------------10,233,333 this year


So I would say he's done a good job of earning his paycheck. Plus, after this season, we'll have gone through a majority of the guaranteed money. So we're in a better position with his contract than we will be if we signed another elite guy.