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Coach Rivera hints at signing Mike Wallace (edited to include link)


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

BPA always confuses me.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:48 AM

BPA always confuses me. So hypothetically if when we pick Matt Barkley or Geno Smith are still on the board, and by the Panthers draftboard they are the BPA, do we pick Matt Barkley or Geno Smith?

What if it is another middle linebacker? What if Ogletree is on top of our board come time to pick? Do we invest in another ILB?

What if we get to the second round and a RB like Lacy or Bernard slips to our second round pick? Do we take yet another RB?

I understand that you don't want to draft a lesser player just to fill a need, but what happens when BPA on your board is a guy that isn't actually better than the guy you already have because that guy is an established pro bowler?

I think it has to be a balance in the first two rounds, and then go BPA from round 3 through round 7. You have to determine whether a player who is still on the board is so good that you have to pick him over an established high caliber player.

In other words, I wouldn't want to draft in the first two rounds to break even or digress in a position, just because it is the BPA. I want to draft to improve my team, and then go BPA after round 2 when you are usually drafting for roster depth.


Of course you're going to take the BPA within reason. I don't believe any of the players that you listed above are sure-fire picks at their position. No Andrew Lucks this year. If a high caliber player that is pretty much a consensus "generational" player at a position drops to you for whatever reason---a player that is heads and shoulders above everyone else at not only their position but also light years ahead of others at their respective positions, you better take him. You can worries about the particulars later. When differences become a little more clouded, then you can start worrying about balance and depend upon your best guesstimates in regards to the value of particular players and how they will fit into your overall team/scheme and plan for success. As the draft moves into the later rounds it seems to me that it would be more about value, and finding possible diamonds in the rough to add depth and fill out your roster where there may be less obvious, but suspected issues on the horizon.

We're good at QB and RB for presumably years to come, so we would never draft those positions right now, unless we already were working out a draft day trade (and remember that it's believed that good RBs come a dime per dozen now). Mind you, there would have to be a unique situation or need on both sides of the equation for two teams to come up with trades on draft day, but it does happen.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:51 AM

A WR in FA?! This is so FUGGING EXCITING! : :stuff:

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:54 AM

I want Wallace but I want him to come at average price and I also want to draft a WR with a 4th this year and top pick next year. Hurney has put off WR too long and we need not just an instant contender like wallace but a future #1/competition in the draft. Unless we get a freak with a high pick, which means losing again (or trading away future, ex. JJ - don't see Dave doing this), a WR is going to take time. You'll need competition, I don't see Wallace as a #1 but he is closer than anyone else bsides smitty on our team and he will add competition. What competition does a high pick WR really have here and do we really want to tank another season to take one who does not need any?. Decent players that we pick up however will not want 1 year deals meaning Gettleman has to think these guys will work out for more than one year, possibly under a new coach.

Makes you wonder who will influence picks/FA more Dave or Ron?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:54 AM

I would love to have him here, but I think Rivera was referring to signing a receiver in general. Either way the position needs to be addressed this season. Most of the media thinks Miami will sign Wallace to a big contract, which I don't understand considering they not long ago traded away Brandon Marshall for peanuts.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

If we're keeping the backfield intact, it suggests that we're "all in" on offense this year. That suggests that any FA moves for instant production would come on this side of the ball. IMO our 1st round pick could be an right OT who could move left in a couple of years and replace Gross. I believe that they have made their analysis and have decided that we need to concentrate on scoring the first 3 quarters and running out the clock in the fourth. Winning with defense will take a few more years.


I don't think keeping the backfield intact suggests we are all in on offense this year.

I think improving the OL and Cam's recieving targets would suggest that.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:58 AM

I want Wallace but I want him to come at average price and I also want to draft a WR with a 4th this year and top pick next year. Hurney has put off WR too long and we need not just an instant contender like wallace but a future #1/competition in the draft. Unless we get a freak with a high pick, which means losing again (or trading away future, ex. JJ - don't see Dave doing this), a WR is going to take time. You'll need competition, I don't see Wallace as a #1 but he is closer than anyone else bsides smitty on our team and he will add competition. What competition does a high pick WR really have here and do we really want to tank another season to take one who does not need any?. Decent players that we pick up however will not want 1 year deals meaning Gettleman has to think these guys will work out for more than one year, possibly under a new coach.

Makes you wonder who will influence picks/FA more Dave or Ron?



huh? he put off drafting WR's?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:00 AM

Glad to hear that we are at least interested...

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:02 AM

They may contact Wallace's agent, doesn't mean we will get him. Wallace wants huge money and we don't have it like Miami to give.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:05 AM

Cam, D-Will, Stewart, Tolbert, Olsen, (TE#2), Smitty, Wallace, LaFell

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:06 AM

huh? he put off drafting WR's?

2012 Joe Adams
2011 Kealoha Pilares
2010 Brandon LaFell
2010 David Gettis



Not what I meant, Hurney was a failure at drafting WRs and he did try. Never drafted one in the first or got one in FA besides KJ though. When I said put off, I don't really remember him ever drafting a WR with #1 talent. I think he failed at picking WRs as much as he just neglected the position in general. Awful situation all around.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:06 AM

huh? he put off drafting WR's?

2012 Joe Adams
2011 Kealoha Pilares
2010 Brandon LaFell
2010 David Gettis


I think he was referring to a quality #1, someone who could take over for Steve when the times comes.