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[Bwood]

This is the exact problem, you said he ran a 40 at the Combine, when he did no such thing. I'm not sure if you don't get that, or refuse to accept it.

And you now have somehow come to the conclusion that because your 40 time for his mythical Combine run was in the range of his actual 40 ran three weeks later, you were somehow correct in exclaiming he ran a 4.94 40 at the Combine, which is no way true. Again, he did not run at the Combine, so any claim that he ran well there is utterly, unquestionably false. I have nothing against Williams, I plainly stated he would get to showcase his athleticism at his Pro Day, but you were literally inventing numbers for him, which I do have a problem with.

And please, tell me which scout clocked him at a 4.78 40 yard dash.

Your reading comprehension fails so miserably, did you graduate highschool home boy?

The day you started bitching about Jesse not running at the combine I openly admitted that I missed the defensive linemen workouts and got his time from CBS, which is the same exact time he ran at his pro day, which is really impressive, which you still can't get passed.

Rob Klauser originally posted that he ran a 4.78, but later posted that his official forty time was a 4.9 and his shuttle was a 4.7.

Any normal user would just say "damn that's fuggin fast and extremely impressive" but you just want to be right so badly to save face that you keep trying. I'm simply rubbing in your face that it was already known he can move for a big guy and it didn't even matter if he ran at the combine because he just showed everyone again.

So what's your point? When do you give in? If I had already admitted months ago that I didn't know he didn't run at the combine and now I'm showing you numbers that mak that completely irrelevant, why are you still trying? Do you really hate the guy that much or do you want to seem superior over the Internet?

[Verge]

I love Trufant as a prospect, but he is not a top 15 pick.

[Bwood]

I love Trufant as a prospect, but he is not a top 15 pick.

Quoted for draft day.

[OHK]

Your reading comprehension fails so miserably, did you graduate highschool home boy?

The day you started bitching about Jesse not running at the combine I openly admitted that I missed the defensive linemen workouts and got his time from CBS, which is the same exact time he ran at his pro day, which is really impressive, which you still can't get passed.

Rob Klauser originally posted that he ran a 4.78, but later posted that his official forty time was a 4.9 and his shuttle was a 4.7.

Any normal user would just say "damn that's fuggin fast and extremely impressive" but you just want to be right so badly to save face that you keep trying. I'm simply rubbing in your face that it was already known he can move for a big guy and it didn't even matter if he ran at the combine because he just showed everyone again.

So what's your point? When do you give in? If I had already admitted months ago that I didn't know he didn't run at the combine and now I'm showing you numbers that mak that completely irrelevant, why are you still trying? Do you really hate the guy that much or do you want to seem superior over the Internet?

Your inability to logically follow an argument is simply baffling.

You continually try to claim that I responded in an attempt to solely rip Jesse Williams; I responded to correct your unquestionably false Combine time. I've yet to say anything bad about Jesse Williams, unless you think stating the sheer fact that he did not participate in Indy is now an insult against him. You then responded three weeks later after his Pro Day, having somehow come to the conclusion that since he ran a good time there, that somehow validated your invented Combine time, which is no logical way can be true. Jesse Williams could have ran a 4.4 at his Pro Day, but that wouldn't mean you were right when you said he looked athletic at the Combine, because he never participated at the Combine. There's simply no way to change that.

Of course your rebuttal will be "yeah I admitted I was completely wrong, but you won't give it up." No, it's you who will not give it up. You responded three weeks later, completely out of the blue, now arguing that you were validated because of his Pro Day time, which I have routinely illustrated makes no logical sense. You were that attached to your original claim and your internet reputation you would wait weeks and try and use an unrelated event as some sort of proof that you were correct. You were the one bringing up your original argument, not me.

You claimed Jesse Williams looked athletic at the Combine. Jesse Williams did not participate in athletic drills at the Combine. You therefore completely wrong in your claims. These are facts. You should accept them, instead of trying to now bring up his Pro Day and use it as some validation of your entirely false Combine claims. I never argued Jesse Williams wasn't athletic, I argued that Jesse Williams, despite your claims, couldn't have possibly looked athletic at the Combine.

On a second but completely related note, what's the deal with Rob Klauser and his forty time? You admit you are aware that the 4.78 time was corrected, but instead still choose to stick with it. You've literally admitted to textbook bullshitting, simply to try and look correct on the internet. Nice.

In addition, who the fug is Rob Klauser? You say he is your favorite scout, yet I don't recognize the name, nor does Google. Did you misspell/misremember your favorite scouts name? Maybe he's your best friend who watched a YouTube highlight of Jesse Williams' Pro Day and clocked that 4.78 via the internet?

Assuming Rob Klauser exists and is a scout, please bwood, educate me. Link me some stuff of his, explain why he's worthy of being your favorite scout. Show how smart you really are.

[Bwood]

Your inability to logically follow an argument is simply baffling.

You continually try to claim that I responded in an attempt to solely rip Jesse Williams; I responded to correct your unquestionably false Combine time. I've yet to say anything bad about Jesse Williams, unless you think stating the sheer fact that he did not participate in Indy is now an insult against him. You then responded three weeks later after his Pro Day, having somehow come to the conclusion that since he ran a good time there, that somehow validated your invented Combine time, which is no logical way can be true. Jesse Williams could have ran a 4.4 at his Pro Day, but that wouldn't mean you were right when you said he looked athletic at the Combine, because he never participated at the Combine. There's simply no way to change that.

Of course your rebuttal will be "yeah I admitted I was completely wrong, but you won't give it up." No, it's you who will not give it up. You responded three weeks later, completely out of the blue, now arguing that you were validated because of his Pro Day time, which I have routinely illustrated makes no logical sense. You were that attached to your original claim and your internet reputation you would wait weeks and try and use an unrelated event as some sort of proof that you were correct. You were the one bringing up your original argument, not me.

You claimed Jesse Williams looked athletic at the Combine. Jesse Williams did not participate in athletic drills at the Combine. You therefore completely wrong in your claims. These are facts. You should accept them, instead of trying to now bring up his Pro Day and use it as some validation of your entirely false Combine claims. I never argued Jesse Williams wasn't athletic, I argued that Jesse Williams, despite your claims, couldn't have possibly looked athletic at the Combine.

On a second but completely related note, what's the deal with Rob Klauser and his forty time? You admit you are aware that the 4.78 time was corrected, but instead still choose to stick with it. You've literally admitted to textbook bullshitting, simply to try and look correct on the internet. Nice.

In addition, who the fug is Rob Klauser? You say he is your favorite scout, yet I don't recognize the name, nor does Google. Did you misspell/misremember your favorite scouts name? Maybe he's your best friend who watched a YouTube highlight of Jesse Williams' Pro Day and clocked that 4.78 via the internet?

Assuming Rob Klauser exists and is a scout, please bwood, educate me. Link me some stuff of his, explain why he's worthy of being your favorite scout. Show how smart you really are.

Anyway you can summarize that giant wall of bullshit? Holy god how can you waste so much time tryin to save face? I would never take that much time to write out and explination, and that's how you know you're trying too hard.

Admit being wrong, admit that Williams is athletic, and things will get a lot better for you. Once you realize how dumb your argument is, and how big of a waste of time it has even to write paragraph after paragraph trying to sound right, you will finally realize who the real idiot is here.

[CAPantherFan]

You two are too funny. So serious!

[OHK]

Anyway you can summarize that giant wall of bullshit? Holy god how can you waste so much time tryin to save face? I would never take that much time to write out and explination, and that's how you know you're trying too hard.

Admit being wrong, admit that Williams is athletic, and things will get a lot better for you. Once you realize how dumb your argument is, and how big of a waste of time it has even to write paragraph after paragraph trying to sound right, you will finally realize who the real idiot is here.

Since you have requested things be dumbed down for you, here you go;

You claimed Jesse Williams ran a fast 40 at the Combine. I claimed he didn't. I was correct, you've admitted so.

Three weeks later, you claim that since he ran a fast 40 at his Pro Day, you were actually correct when you claimed he ran a fast 40 at the Combine. This makes no logical sense, a fast 40 at his Pro Day in no way validates your original claim concerning his nonexistent 40 time. I've never said he wasn't athletic overall, just that he didn't run at the Combine, which again, is an unquestionable fact, despite your claims.

Finally, you claim Rob Klauser is your favorite scout. You used his 4.78 40 time, even though you admitted that he himself corrected this time. Also, neither myself nor Google can find any trace of this "scout," so I'd love for you to prove his actual existence and explain why he's your favorite.

Was that simple enough for you, are you simply going to repeat yourself and hope that if you get the last word, everyone will think you're right?

[Bwood]

Since you have requested things be dumbed down for you, here you go;

You claimed Jesse Williams ran a fast 40 at the Combine. I claimed he didn't. I was correct, you've admitted so.

Three weeks later, you claim that since he ran a fast 40 at his Pro Day, you were actually correct when you claimed he ran a fast 40 at the Combine. This makes no logical sense, a fast 40 at his Pro Day in no way validates your original claim concerning his nonexistent 40 time. I've never said he wasn't athletic overall, just that he didn't run at the Combine, which again, is an unquestionable fact, despite your claims.

Finally, you claim Rob Klauser is your favorite scout. You used his 4.78 40 time, even though you admitted that he himself corrected this time. Also, neither myself nor Google can find any trace of this "scout," so I'd love for you to prove his actual existence and explain why he's your favorite.

Was that simple enough for you, are you simply going to repeat yourself and hope that if you get the last word, everyone will think you're right?

There are more scouts out there than just KIPER and Mcshay. There's guys that actually go out and check out these pro days on their own time with their own money. Robs a guy I've known for a while and trust, and I'm not surprised you can't find him with a simple google search. But that certainly doesn't mean that he isn't a good scout.

Now back to your hilarious argument. All I did was inform your uneducated ass about Jesse Williams time. You still don't understand that though. You still don't understand that all of this is about Jesse Williams being extremely athletic for his size. All you can focus on is wanting to be right, and it just isn't going to happen.

This thread is irrelevant though because its just a mock draft, and now it has become apparent that there's no way we will be able to land Trufant and Williams in one draft. Especially after Jesses 40, which anyone that actually watches tape knew he would run.

Please keep trying though haha, it's funny to see someone take time out of their day to post 10 paragraphs trying to save face, and watching my mock remain at the top of this forum for all to see.

Thanks bro, you've walked right into my little trap. Thanks for playing.

[OHK]

There are more scouts out there than just KIPER and Mcshay. There's guys that actually go out and check out these pro days on their own time with their own money. Robs a guy I've known for a while and trust, and I'm not surprised you can't find him with a simple google search. But that certainly doesn't mean that he isn't a good scout.

So what you're saying is, the guy is probably just your friend from down the street? Perhaps your roommate? I think this explains a lot about your "scouting". If this was guy was even slightly relevant or respected in scouting circles, it wouldn't be hard to post some link proving his actual existence, yet you can't even manage that.

Now back to your hilarious argument. All I did was inform your uneducated ass about Jesse Williams time. You still don't understand that though. You still don't understand that all of this is about Jesse Williams being extremely athletic for his size. All you can focus on is wanting to be right, and it just isn't going to happen.

No, all you did was try to claim he ran at the Combine, which was wrong, and then tried to claim that since he ran at his Pro Day you were correct about the Combine, again wrong. Jesse Williams' overall athleticism was never questioned, just whether or not he put it on display. Your attempts at a strawman argument aren't going to work here.

[Bwood]

So what you're saying is, the guy is probably just your friend from down the street? Perhaps your roommate? I think this explains a lot about your "scouting". If this was guy was even slightly relevant or respected in scouting circles, it wouldn't be hard to post some link proving his actual existence, yet you can't even manage that.



No, all you did was try to claim he ran at the Combine, which was wrong, and then tried to claim that since he ran at his Pro Day you were correct about the Combine, again wrong. Jesse Williams' overall athleticism was never questioned, just whether or not he put it on display. Your attempts at a strawman argument aren't going to work here.

Exactly what I expected from you. Just because you never heard of the guy doesn't mean he isn't great at what he does or just as good as the overpaid espn analysts.

I already stated that I was wrong about him running at the combine. So the fact you're still trying to include that just shows that you're trying to save face lol. All I did was requote you so you could see for yourself that Jesse runs a 4.9, the exact time I said he ran that I was wrong about. You couldn't take that for some reason so im just sitting back watchin you waste your time writing paragraph after paragraph. I don't think me or any other user have even read one single paragraph either which is the best part lol.

Keep going dude, like I said this is all going exactly as planned. Almost to 10 pages!

[XClown1986]

I love Trufant as a prospect, but he is not a top 15 pick.

Agreed. Trufant will be taken higher than he should based on the position he plays and his potential, but he is lacking as a complete corner. He has outstanding instincts and speed, no doubt about that. But often he will put himself in position to make a huge play and whiff on a tackle, or hesitate to hit a guy. The guy looks allergic to contact when he plays. He reminds me a LOT of Antonio Cromartie when he was coming out. He may be a good cover corner (or not) in the NFL, but he will not always make the easy tackle, and he will offer little help in run support.

[OHK]

Exactly what I expected from you. Just because you never heard of the guy doesn't mean he isn't great at what he does or just as good as the overpaid espn analysts.

Your "favorite scout," at best, is nothing more than a personal friend, at worst, doesn't even exist. It's plainly obvious, no matter how much you try and say "you just don't know him because he's on ESPN". And it says a lot about the credibility of your personal scouting.

I already stated that I was wrong about him running at the combine. So the fact you're still trying to include that just shows that you're trying to save face lol. All I did was requote you so you could see for yourself that Jesse runs a 4.9, the exact time I said he ran that I was wrong about. You couldn't take that for some reason so im just sitting back watchin you waste your time writing paragraph after paragraph. I don't think me or any other user have even read one single paragraph either which is the best part lol.

Keep going dude, like I said this is all going exactly as planned. Almost to 10 pages!

These are the two contradictory arguments you continually make. You try and claim you admitted your fault, only to then say well since he ran close to your invented time, you were actually right anyways. That's not how logic works, although I'll admit at this point I can't ever expect to understand that. It wouldn't matter if you called it to the exact fraction of a second for him. He did not run, you can never remotely be correct about his time because there was no time, it is as simple as that.

[Bwood]

Your "favorite scout," at best, is nothing more than a personal friend, at worst, doesn't even exist. It's plainly obvious, no matter how much you try and say "you just don't know him because he's on ESPN". And it says a lot about the credibility of your personal scouting.



These are the two contradictory arguments you continually make. You try and claim you admitted your fault, only to then say well since he ran close to your invented time, you were actually right anyways. That's not how logic works, although I'll admit at this point I can't ever expect to understand that. It wouldn't matter if you called it to the exact fraction of a second for him. He did not run, you can never remotely be correct about his time because there was no time, it is as simple as that.

Right back to your orginal argument!

Like I just said, I already admitted I was wrong about him running at the combine, but since he ran the exact same time I said he did at his pro day, I thought I would come make fun of you because you can tell how seriously you really take all of this. From the moment you started whining about that not being true, to you trying to cut down a scout you don't know, it shows you just want to be right so badly, and that you won't give up until you get the last word. I'll definitely be adding you to my list of users to fug with, this is the exact response I wanted.