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#101 pstall

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:34 PM

i get the walls that the internet has brought down. no question.

and i get that some were born at the 20 yard line(Red Zone) and some were born in the opposing end zone. you know how i came to that conclusion? not from google or the tinderbox. from years and years living in it and seeing it and dreaming and planning and scheming with guys on one day breaking out of the tough spot we were all in. some were black. some were white. some were hispanic. but we all wanted to have and do more than what we saw our parents do.

and please, don't lump me into the pool of the advantaged or infer i have zero clue what others with less than what i had has had to go through. that kind of thinking does more to minimize the awareness from the internet than me saying lets do more doing than talking. yes, conversations can lead to bigger things, no doubt about it.
take it from me. i see far too often email after email and idea after idea on an issue, tons of awareness was made and then, at the end of the day. nothing was done. why? because the internet or technology to some degree can create just enough of a safe distance to where the full brunt of what is needed can never be felt. let me write a check for a charity instead of going down and volunteering.
i call it the "like" mentality. not like minded but, just.... like. facebook has the like button. its easy. you just click on the like button and along with thousands of others you are now aware. but what if they put a "finished" button out there? ahh. now we're talking.

at times we put too much zeal into the wrong things. look at all the people that will beat their bodies to go do those warrior dashes and such. the time and money and energy spent to do it. look at those that will host the event and they make tons of money. then, they move onto another city.

imagine, if that same energy,effort and time and focus was given to the poor. or mentoring. or donating whatever is needed for a school that is behind on so many levels.

a group of guys i play hoops has mushroomed into quite network. professionally and just for fun. i have been pushing to get us to leverage our resources for the greater good. it has been quite the endeavor. we have not done all that i want yet but here is a microcosim of what we are talking about.

a group of guys send out emails etc for a golf charity event to help someone with MS. a noble cause for sure. they haven't gotten full 100% participation but it will raise lots of funds for this guy and i hope it does.

i send out an email to the guys that are sort of in charge of the group. im trying to help my wife find big brothers and mentors or just guys who can take 1 hour out of their week to help. so far, crickets. it won't cost the person a dime except for gas and maybe a meal if they so choose to do. but i spoke to the main guy the other day and i will keep trying.

the point being, many times, it's not the cause that people are unaware of. it's do they really want to do something besides talking about it. many think oh somebody else will take care of that and that day never comes.

sadly, from the research i have done with charities and groups that try to help the poor or low income or help a struggling school, often times, the ones that get the most help are the ones that market best and then, even when they get help, it's a drop in the bucket. whereas the groups that are probably the most in need and doing the most good work, don't have the time and funds to get the word out.
that is what i'm trying to help break through. bring the right groups with the right resources, to those that have the right cause.

that is my part of killing off racism and classism. i am but one guy though.

*edit*- i added the Red Zone part. i didn't want to give the impression that white people(and thats who most really mean when it comes to priv) only had a 20 yard head start. and yes i do understand being born with an advantage doesn't exclusively mean someone is white. so ease up social dobermans. :lol:

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:46 PM

GS the false premise you're arguing from here is that everyone offended by the refill scenario isn't also offended by stuff like the imagery you just posted.

I understand fully that there are still plenty of idiot assholes with regressive views on race, and I agree that "black people can be racist too" is generally a stupid argument (not because it's not true but because it's generally used indignantly to defend whiteness as though whiteness needs defending) but I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this witch hunt. Agreeing that the refill episode, if true, is an asshole racist thing and also acknowledging the demographics of privilege historically and contemporarily as they relate to socio-economic status are not mutually exclusive. I think part of the problem you're running into is the fact that the casual observer takes your marginalizing of the refill scenario (and it is indeed marginal compared to the latter problem) to mean that you're inconsistently applying your accusation of racism; that is, giving one act of racism a pass because of some utilitarian construct wherein the act is overshadowed by greater acts of racism that may spawn or affect the smaller one.

Correct me if ive misread you, but I think clarifying this would help keep this discussion meaningful. Right now it's fuging retarded.


context is as important to consider as the act itself. when a member of a privileged group perpetuates racial stereotypes about a historically oppressed minority because "lol look here's a chappelle skit that i struggle to actually understand", it is more harmful than when a member of a privileged group is charged a quarter for his sweet tea, mixed and served to him by members of that historically oppressed minority group. as long as certain groups hold significant, institutional advantages over others, forgive me for rolling my eyes at things like "but but but white people are discriminated against too! here look at this time i was overcharged a quarter!" every day you sit idly by, accepting these advantages (or as many do: pretending that they don't even exist), you are complicit with the institutional racism of american society. i do not give one fug about that quarter. as i said earlier: call it the price of privilege.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

insignificance in the greater context =/= justified

again I think this conversation is being fundamentally skewed by the fact that you're talking about the morality of focusing on the refill act compared against the greater context while others are talking about the singular focus of the morality of the act by itself as though it were in a vacuum.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:49 PM

it's not simply that it's "insignificant in the greater context"; if roles were reversed, it would be fundamentally different. a privileged group overcharging an oppressed group by a quarter is not the same as an oppressed group overcharging a privileged group by a quarter. tbqh here in america black people are way more justified in telling white people to get fuged than vice versa. the people who benefit from structural advantages have the power to change these things but for some reason they tend to fall back to "i don't see color i'm basically colorblind what's all this talk about racism anyway?" i mean idc about "the act itself in a vacuum" because that's basically a waste of time outside of a philosophy course

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

we could have saved 7 pages and of gobs of bandwidth by saying 2 wrongs, do make a right. makes perfect sense to me.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:06 AM

This thread was meaningful mainly because we learned the Godspin "Champion of Equality" Shuttlesworth actually has no issue with certain races being discriminated against.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:23 AM

This thread was meaningful mainly because we learned the Godspin "Champion of Equality" Shuttlesworth actually has no issue with certain races being discriminated against.


Well actually we already knew that (at least I did), but GS actually finally just admitted it...

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

So appropriate to this thread :lol:

http://www.nbc.com/s...ng-dead/n33502/

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:07 AM

This thread was meaningful mainly because we learned the Godspin "Champion of Equality" Shuttlesworth actually has no issue with certain races being discriminated against.


hey let me know when it's no longer most advantageous to be white in america; otherwise, save your whiny bullshit for freerepublic

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:20 AM

hey let me know when it's no longer most advantageous to be white in america; otherwise, save your whiny bullshit for freerepublic


Had to google what Free Republic was. Strange website...


Godspin: It's ok to be racist towards Whites b/c they have it better.

Sad.


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