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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:08 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, just going out on a limb here, but it seems like you're assuming that they go the free agency route to find a wide receiver.

I see a few guys that can be a great number three or even a very good number two in the NFL Draft that can be taken in the second or fourth round. I also see a handful of wide receiver that the Panthers could take in the first to be Smith's successor.

If the Panthers truly believe they are on the verge of the playoffs, a championship, or whatever; then look for proven veterans to come in at the vet minimum (i.e. Canty) instead of young and unproven players (i.e. Barden).


I don't know what we are going to do---which direction we are going. Just thinking of options.

Not saying that there aren't any, but I don't know of any WRs off the top of my head who is deemed to have WR1 potential in the draft who won't be gone by probably early, perhaps late, second round. Moreover, I don't see us picking up a guy in FA that is considered to possess that type of talent either. That being said, why not upgrade the WR2s, 3s and 4s if you can do so on the cheap?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

WR2? You are talking about Martellus Bennett right? Believe me, I'm a huge fan of Bennett and would love it if we got him for a reasonable salary.


Sorry. I meant TE1. I fixed it.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

I don't know what we are going to do---which direction we are going. Just thinking of options.

Not saying that there aren't any, but I don't know of any WRs off the top of my head who is deemed to have WR1 potential in the draft who won't be gone by probably early, perhaps late, second round. Moreover, I don't see us picking up a guy in FA that is considered to possess that type of talent either. That being said, why not upgrade the WR2s, 3s and 4s if you can do so on the cheap?


Because there are no WR2 or WR3 that are a significant upgrade over what we have.

Patterson, Allen, and possibly Austin (as a slot, think Smith and Welker) could all be number one's.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:14 PM

Are you kidding me? Now you're just being silly.


Easiest way to see who is right against who is wrong is go directly off of team's depth charts, not based off of opinion. So let's take a look shall we...

Julio Jones, Sidney Rice, Antonio Brown, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, and Jeremy Maclin are all listed as one's based on teams depth chart's.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:28 PM

Because there are no WR2 or WR3 that are a significant upgrade over what we have.

Patterson, Allen, and possibly Austin (as a slot, think Smith and Welker) could all be number one's.


I don't think that us as football forum geniuses can say with all surety that Barden would not be a significant upgrade over what we have (like we have so much). Anyway, like I alluded to, Patterson, Allen and Austin will be gone before we pick in round 2, so if we don't pull the trigger, we aren't getting a WR1 from the draft unless we get lucky (much like we did with 89).

Easiest way to see who is right against who is wrong is go directly off of team's depth charts, not based off of opinion. So let's take a look shall we...

Julio Jones, Sidney Rice, Antonio Brown, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, and Jeremy Maclin are all listed as one's based on teams depth chart's.


Well, since you are more concerned with being right, on a technicality, let me tell you that you are absolutely correct. You deserve a cookie. But... then let's take the earlier list and take the ones that apparently aren't technically listed as WR1s and add, Roddy White, Golden Tate, Mike Wallace, Hakeem Nicks, Cecil Shorts, and Desean Jackson. I suppose you think that LaFell can currently take his place among that number...?

Come on, dude.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

Manningham was with San Fran last year and Nicks was alway hurt. The Giants gave up on Barden when they drafted a wide out in the 1st or 2nd (whatever it was) last year.


Exactly. Even with manningham gone and nicks hurt, they still played Hixon over Barden. I'd love to give him a shot in camp, but some of you guys are getting awfully defensive while backing this guy up. He has done literally nothing in his time in the league, and it has little to do with his place on the depth chart.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

I don't think that us as football forum geniuses can say with all surety that Barden would not be a significant upgrade over what we have (like we have so much). Anyway, like I alluded to, Patterson, Allen and Austin will be gone before we pick in round 2, so if we don't pull the trigger, we aren't getting a WR1 from the draft unless we get lucky (much like we did with 89).



Well, since you are more concerned with being right, on a technicality let me tell you that you are absolutely correct. You deserve a cookie. But... then let's take the earlier list and take the ones that apparently aren't technically listed as WR1s and add, Roddy White, Golden Tate, Mike Wallace, Hakeem Nicks, Cecil Shorts, and Desean Jackson. I suppose you think that LaFell can currently take his place among that number...?

Come on, dude.


I don't see why not, you have to remember that we had a tight end that took a lot of receptions/yards/touchdowns away from our wide receivers. If I'm not mistaken, Greg Olsen was third in receiving yards this year for tight ends.

Also, I wouldn't put DeSean Jackson on that list... just for reference.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:47 PM

Exactly. Even with manningham gone and nicks hurt, they still played Hixon over Barden. I'd love to give him a shot in camp, but some of you guys are getting awfully defensive while backing this guy up. He has done literally nothing in his time in the league, and it has little to do with his place on the depth chart.


I haven't seen where anyone in the thread that has gotten defensive while backing Barden up. Like you, I am saying that perhaps we should give they guy a shot in camp because it really can't hurt. If we don't, then who really gives a fug? No one has said that Barden is Jerry Rice, Sidney Rice, or worth a box of Uncle Ben's rice.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:16 PM

i think i'm the only one who wants to hang onto louis murphy. if we're going to add anyone it needs to be a top tier receiver like wallace or jennings.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:21 PM

I haven't seen where anyone in the thread that has gotten defensive while backing Barden up. Like you, I am saying that perhaps we should give they guy a shot in camp because it really can't hurt. If we don't, then who really gives a fug? No one has said that Barden is Jerry Rice, Sidney Rice, or worth a box of Uncle Ben's rice.


I would say Weymouth St's response was very defensive.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:51 PM

I don't see why not, you have to remember that we had a tight end that took a lot of receptions/yards/touchdowns away from our wide receivers. If I'm not mistaken, Greg Olsen was third in receiving yards this year for tight ends.

Also, I wouldn't put DeSean Jackson on that list... just for reference.


To your first remark: Becuase LaFell has never consistently been able to carry his team like Roddy White, Golden Tate, Mike Wallace, Hakeem Nicks, Cecil Shorts, or Desean Jackson have shown the ability to do when their WR1 (as listed on the web site as you so correctly pointed out) was receiving double coverage, out, or just not having a good day. To be blunt, I would say that everyone other than Tate is a quasi WR1 (which is really the point), but even Tate is better than LaFell when you look at his impact on the team.

Regarding D-Jax, he logically should be included in the list. You do see what I did with the list, right? The list was really a product of your own making.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:14 PM

I'd take Barden over Murphy in a damn minute.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:24 PM

It's hard to argue Lafell's production against other team's "#2"s. Lafell is a true #2 for us. Most of those players you listed there come from teams with two comparable receivers at #1 and #2. We have a superstar (albeit an aging one) at #1 with no one really close to him. So of course the drop-off in production from Smith to Lafell is gonna be pretty substantial compared to these other teams with 2 comparable receivers that can split the targets.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:32 PM

It's hard to argue Lafell's production against other team's "#2"s. Lafell is a true #2 for us. Most of those players you listed there come from teams with two comparable receivers at #1 and #2. We have a superstar (albeit an aging one) at #1 with no one really close to him. So of course the drop-off in production from Smith to Lafell is gonna be pretty substantial compared to these other teams with 2 comparable receivers that can split the targets.

this statement screams that the WR position needs to be upgraded. if your #2 cannot take over then he should not be a #2.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:35 PM

bennet yeah...barden no


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