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Tomorrow, the History Channel will be airing a new mini-series about the Bible. It will air at 8 pm eastern time. I love the idea, but from watching some of the clips from the series, I'm disappointed to say the least. There are a lot of inaccuracies right off the bat, and I fear people will get the wrong idea about what the Bible says. Graphics wise, I'm not that impress. All in all, I'll let everyone know what I think about the film tomorrow, and we can have discussion on it. I can already tell you, I hope this film encourage producers to put out a major, more accurate film into theatres. I actually want to get involve in something like that. B)

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There are some biblical movies coming. So far I know of Darren Aronfsky Noah starring Russel Crow as Noah(its based on Aronfsky graphic novel Noah which is loosely based on the bible). Theres talks of Ben-Hur remake and Mosses movie directed by Spielberg or Ridley Scott. A Ponitus Pilate movie with Brad Pitt as the potential star and Paul Verhoeven wants to do "Jesus of Nazareth" based on the book he wrote which is drastically different than the bible.

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Nothing would anger more Christians than an accurate portrayal of the Bible in film or television.

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1362244562' post='2149596']
, I'm disappointed to say the least. There are a lot of inaccuracies right off the bat, and I fear people will get the wrong idea about what the Bible says.
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L tothemotherfuging OL

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Oh I'll definitely check it out... I know Satan :D

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Inaccuracies? Hahahahahaha

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Del is actually all over it.

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[quote name='scpanther22' timestamp='1362249066' post='2149650']
There are some biblical movies coming. So far I know of Darren Aronfsky Noah starring Russel Crow as Noah(its based on Aronfsky graphic novel Noah which is loosely based on the bible). Theres talks of Ben-Hur remake and Mosses movie directed by Spielberg or Ridley Scott. A Ponitus Pilate movie with Brad Pitt as the potential star and Paul Verhoeven wants to do "Jesus of Nazareth" based on the book he wrote which is drastically different than the bible.
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Very interesting. I'm curious to see what the Noah film will be like. Like I said before, I hope to one day get involved in projects like this. Even hoping to one day have a video game based on the Bible. ^_^

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Won't be accurate until they stop casting Caucasians to fill African and middle eastern roles

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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1362274372' post='2149877']
Won't be accurate until they stop casting Caucasians to fill African and middle eastern roles
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I agree. That was really one of the first things I noticed about the film. People have been doing movies about the Bible for a long time, and I've yet to see people of middle-eastern descent portray these characters. I wonder sometimes about that. Yet guess what, I've come to find out that Samson in this particular mini series, is black. So yeah, this film is definitely not accurate.

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Here's a trailer of the film


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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1362275560' post='2149893']


I agree. That was really one of the first things I noticed about the film. People have been doing movies about the Bible for a long time, and I've yet to see people of middle-eastern descent portray these characters. I wonder sometimes about that. Yet guess what, I've come to find out that Samson in this particular mini series, is black. So yeah, this film is definitely not accurate.
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"The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of it's original color, while retaining none the less the imprint of it's original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face (referring to The Sphinx) is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest to or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of the people."

-Anthropologist, Count Constatin de Volney

In reference to Samson being black. Nearly all persons in the bible described as Hebrew would likely have been African black until the very height of the Roman Empire. Interesting how the only non-black Africans live exactly within the boundaries of the old Roman Empire

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*Man talks to a burning bush*

"This is SOOOOO inaccurate, none of these guys are middle eastern. Don't they care about realism?"

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But, Ancient Astronaut theory could actually be viewed as having more historical evidence.

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1362272937' post='2149853'] Even hoping to one day have a video game based on the Bible. ^_^
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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1362272937' post='2149853']
Even hoping to one day have a video game based on the Bible. ^_^
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"The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of it's original color, while retaining none the less the imprint of it's original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face (referring to The Sphinx) is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest to or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of the people."

-Anthropologist, Count Constatin de Volney

In reference to Samson being black. Nearly all persons in the bible described as Hebrew would likely have been African black until the very height of the Roman Empire. Interesting how the only non-black Africans live exactly within the boundaries of the old Roman Empire
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The people in north Africa back then and now are a mix of arabic and black african peoples. Now the desert seperates the south part of Africa from the north, and it's in sub-sahara africa where most people of darker skin live. So north Africa was pretty much part of the middle-east in terms of ethnicity, only Ethopia mostly had people of darker skin. (Back then Nubia if I'm not mistaken) So the people of ancient Egypt were mostly of arabic origin, but there was really a mix there.

As for Samson and the Hebrew people, there defintiely almost purely of middle-eastern descent. Abraham came from the land of Ur, which we believe is modern day Iran if I'm not mistaken again. The only way for black african people to have been part of the Israelites, is when they came up in the mix multitude that left with Israel during the Exodus. Yet then, they weren't of sub-saharan skin tone, but mostly mix. I seriously doubt Samson was black.

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I have bigger plans then that. I want to help develop a game that portrays the Bible accurately (just like I want with a movie), so it will have a mature rating to it. Now I grew up as a gamer, just like many of us young guys and girls, so I don't want to put out a sorry project, but a game everyone will enjoy. I would like to talk with the guys who made "Shadow of the Colossus" and see if they can help with the design of the game, particulary with battles such as with Goliath and all his brothers. That's the kind of stuff I'm thinking on. For my brethren, I want them to know and be excited for what they believe in, and for the world, at the very least they will have a great game to play.

Now of course, I'm also interested in scientific work. To present a complete model of the world as Genesis describes because as I said before in previous topics in the past, we have a bedtime story view of Genesis. We say science rules out this bedtime story, but the bedtime story isn't accurate to what Genesis is saying. So I have all these dreams I'm thinking on, and they are exciting.

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1362325085' post='2150116']
The people in north Africa back then and now are a mix of arabic and black african peoples. Now the desert seperates the south part of Africa from the north, and it's in sub-sahara africa where most people of darker skin live. So north Africa was pretty much part of the middle-east in terms of ethnicity, only Ethopia mostly had people of darker skin. (Back then Nubia if I'm not mistaken) So the people of ancient Egypt were mostly of arabic origin, but there was really a mix there.

As for Samson and the Hebrew people, there defintiely almost purely of middle-eastern descent. Abraham came from the land of Ur, which we believe is modern day Iran if I'm not mistaken again. The only way for black african people to have been part of the Israelites, is when they came up in the mix multitude that left with Israel during the Exodus. Yet then, they weren't of sub-saharan skin tone, but mostly mix. I seriously doubt Samson was black.
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When speaking of ancient people, we commonly mix scripture with history. But lets separate them for a second.

The scripture tells us that the Hebrew people originated in and around what is now southern Israel and moved to Egypt at the behest of Jacob to escape famine. Meaning they originated in what is now Jordan and northern Saudi Arabia.

In the Bible there are many references to how the Hebrew/Israelites were often mistaken for or looked like Egyptians.

Acts 21:38 Paul mistaken for an Egyptian

Exodus 2:16-19 The priest of Midian speaking to his daughters about Moses watering their flock.

Matthew 2:13 Angel of the Lord tells Joseph to take Jesus and Mary and hide in Egypt.

So now to history. There is no record of who the Iraelites were until after the Exodus, but the wars fought along the way to Jerusalem are well documented.

Now when people think of a middle eastern man or woman they think of what they see today on tv. Light-brown skinned people with generally straight black hair. We agree that they were in Egypt and that they looked like Egyptians or middle easterners but how did the people of the area describe themselves

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These are all pictures from the time of Seti I who is commonly recognized as the pharoah of the old testament. Now the Egyptians had a great ability to mix colors and could have easily described themselves as lighter skinned people if they so chose as evidenced by the the instances of both very dark and very light people throughout all their artwork. But when they describe [i]themselves[/i] the use that deep brown tone. Post Roman Empire saw a different mix of colors in the artwork.

Below is an ancient Sumerian depictian of a man and a bull[attachment=5336:pic-one3.jpg]
That was how the middle easterners described themselves.

Below you will find a picture of a modern Egyptian from the lower(northern) Egypt.[attachment=5341:0121-OLADYGUARD-Egyptian-female-bodyguards-full_full_600.jpg]

Below are pictures of modern Ethiopians and modern Egyptians that do not live near Cairo.
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Think about it. It is commonly accepted that Black people are black because of a reaction to the Sun causing an increase in melanin. Well the middle east is among the hottest and most sun drenched place on earth. It would not be possible for a lighter skinned race to survive without relatively modern comforts or ways to protect themselves from the sun. They would burn up and likely die out from cancer in just a few generations.

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1362244562' post='2149596']
There are a lot of inaccuracies right off the bat
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That would be... fitting. The Bible contains many itself right off the bat.

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When speaking of ancient people, we commonly mix scripture with history. But lets separate them for a second.

The scripture tells us that the Hebrew people originated in and around what is now southern Israel and moved to Egypt at the behest of Jacob to escape famine. Meaning they originated in what is now Jordan and northern Saudi Arabia.

In the Bible there are many references to how the Hebrew/Israelites were often mistaken for or looked like Egyptians.

Acts 21:38 Paul mistaken for an Egyptian

Exodus 2:16-19 The priest of Midian speaking to his daughters about Moses watering their flock.

Matthew 2:13 Angel of the Lord tells Joseph to take Jesus and Mary and hide in Egypt.

So now to history. There is no record of who the Iraelites were until after the Exodus, but the wars fought along the way to Jerusalem are well documented.

Now when people think of a middle eastern man or woman they think of what they see today on tv. Light-brown skinned people with generally straight black hair. We agree that they were in Egypt and that they looked like Egyptians or middle easterners but how did the people of the area describe themselves

[attachment=5330:0-Ancient-Egyptian-carpet-style-in-sand-original-oil-painting.jpg][attachment=5331:votd-khat.jpg][attachment=5332:seti1.jpg][attachment=5333:img1gr8.jpg][attachment=5334:70b4ec1e-a95c-4c10-b205-963a4a2f3edf.jpg]


These are all pictures from the time of Seti I who is commonly recognized as the pharoah of the old testament. Now the Egyptians had a great ability to mix colors and could have easily described themselves as lighter skinned people if they so chose as evidenced by the the instances of both very dark and very light people throughout all their artwork. But when they describe [i]themselves[/i] the use that deep brown tone. Post Roman Empire saw a different mix of colors in the artwork.

Below is an ancient Sumerian depictian of a man and a bull[attachment=5336:pic-one3.jpg]
That was how the middle easterners described themselves.

Below you will find a picture of a modern Egyptian from the lower(northern) Egypt.[attachment=5341:0121-OLADYGUARD-Egyptian-female-bodyguards-full_full_600.jpg]

Below are pictures of modern Ethiopians and modern Egyptians that do not live near Cairo.
[attachment=5337:ethiopian_beauty_02.jpg][attachment=5338:ethiopian-women.jpg][attachment=5339:4582243129_2e8e061be5_z.jpg]

Think about it. It is commonly accepted that Black people are black because of a reaction to the Sun causing an increase in melanin. Well the middle east is among the hottest and most sun drenched place on earth. It would not be possible for a lighter skinned race to survive without relatively modern comforts or ways to protect themselves from the sun. They would burn up and likely die out from cancer in just a few generations.
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I agree with most of what you said. (When I talk on the Israelite origins, I usually go back to Abraham, and he came out of Iran.) Certainly we know that Nubia (which I mistakenly said was modern day Ethiopia, but is modern day Sudan) even took control over Egypt. Yet the Israelites wouldn't have had a sub-saharan skin tone. I believe they would have had a dark brown complexion like this...

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Yet for this film, Samson is portrayed like this...


[img]http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/02/Bible_Samson-and-mother1.jpg[/img]


Now I don't know 100%, but if I were a betting man, I would have to say Samson didn't look like this.

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I agree with most of what you said. (When I talk on the Israelite origins, I usually go back to Abraham, and he came out of Iran.) Certainly we know that Nubia (which I mistakenly said was modern day Ethiopia, but is modern day Sudan) even took control over Egypt. Yet the Israelites wouldn't have had a sub-saharan skin tone. I believe they would have had a dark brown complexion like this...

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1lFozQrpfOQ/TZDm-XraAAI/AAAAAAAAAEM/wPzo4x-QPTY/s1600/A_Bedouin_Arab_137.jpg[/img]


Yet for this film, Samson is portrayed like this...


[img]http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/02/Bible_Samson-and-mother1.jpg[/img]


Now I don't know 100%, but if I were a betting man, I would have to say Samson didn't look like this.
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Not to be difficult, but as the first one is a painting I cant really see much difference in the skin tone. But in fairness I recognize the point you are making and the show has definitely demonstrated a lack of concern for the skin tone of the characters. I will say this though, of all the other people in the series at least he is dark enough to have actually survived in the area during the time period. and his hair is in locks which is often used to describe Samsons hair.

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1362335834' post='2150215']
I agree with most of what you said. (When I talk on the Israelite origins, I usually go back to Abraham, and he came out of Iran.) Certainly we know that Nubia (which I mistakenly said was modern day Ethiopia, but is modern day Sudan) even took control over Egypt. Yet the Israelites wouldn't have had a sub-saharan skin tone. I believe they would have had a dark brown complexion like this...
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Whether he was from Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, his skin tone would likely have been quite dark. Much darker than what I think you believe. The further away from Rome you get the darker the complexion gets until you get to India which is in reverse to what would be an expected trend if people migrated from Africa. But once again those previously under the rule of the Romans are lighter.

Now about the subsaharan skin-tone. There really isn't one. Outside of Roman influence yet still north of the Sahara you will find people that run the gamet of even the darkest of skin tones. IOT tell the difference between the ethnicities you must look at other traits like, facial shape, hair and nose characteristics.

For example West Africans ([attachment=5353:leila-lopes-hot.jpg][attachment=5354:47030.jpg][attachment=5355:Genevieve-Nnaji135.jpg][attachment=5356:Ghana Beauty Soraya Khalil.jpg][attachment=5357:kaonekario.jpg]or what most westerners attribute as sub-saharan Africans)


and East Africans (which includes upper(southern) Egypt and Northern Sudan both of which is above the Saharan)[attachment=5358:eritrean tigre hairstyle.jpg][attachment=5359:Ethiopiankonjosexygirlever.jpg][attachment=5360:quux.jpg][attachment=5361:tumblr_lfv8drJ3Ww1qcerqgo1_400.jpg][attachment=5362:untitled 1.jpg] there is no skin tone difference

Now outside of Africa

India being the furthest you can get and still be technically "middle east" should serve as a basis to for what should be considered the "lightest" a middle easterner would be.
([size=2][i]note: 100's of years of British colonization saw a cultural shift to seek out the lightest mates thus creating an upper middle class that is considerably lighter than the rest of the population. IOT to find the true ancestral skin tone without focused breeding you should focus on the middle to lower income people[/i][/size].)[attachment=5363:indian-women.jpg][attachment=5364:Ishrath 1.jpg]


And I want to add this one for a little perspective.

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Remember that something like 95% of the natives in America were killed off, but some pictures of the [i]originals[/i] still survived and several of them show people that are quite dark. I dont mean to imply that they are African, merely to highlight the vastly more common dark skin tone as opposed to lighter ones during the ancient world.

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Good and interesting finds guys. I do hope that the skin color of Jesus isn't a dealbreaker for anyone. I mean if so that's racist.

That is why the bible does a great job of making the emphasis on Jesus' life and nothing external. Except for one passage in Isiah where it sas Jesus appearance wasn't such that was disticintive in any way. And that's how it should be. I have zero issue with Jesu being olive skinned or much darker. I also have zero issues with a blue eyed guy playing Jesus.

Where I have isues is when the correct details etc get creative licensed out and the true spirit and thrust of the message gets lost.

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