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To all white Christians and Jews

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So your point is that... yhwh is white?

I think mine was a question.

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First of all there is no reason to think that Jesus even existed in the first place.

it's difficult to find scholars who believe jesus never existed. his historicity is constantly challenged but very rarely his existence

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it's difficult to find scholars who believe jesus never existed. his historicity is constantly challenged but very rarely his existence

That's because most concede that it's completely possible that a man named Jesus (or a man that Jesus of the bible is based on) existed. Sure, I can concede that Jesus existed. However, the stories in the bible require evidence. They make claims that absolutely require it.

There is no contemporary record of the existence of Jesus. Nothing outside of the Bible that points to it. No accounts, no birth/death record, nothing. No writings from him. Nothing. But, it's sort of silly to try to argue that he didn't exist. His existence doesn't validate the bible's claims. That's why scholars don't really care about his existence as much as support for the claims made about him.

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I really didn't want this to devolve into a debate about the existence of Jesus or the validaty of the Judeo-Christian faith. If you dont believe you can not answer the question posed in the OP. So what do you really have to contribute? This is to no one in particular just trying to stem the tide.

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it's difficult to find scholars who believe jesus never existed. his historicity is constantly challenged but very rarely his existence

Ever listened to RC Sproul's Apologetics series on Youtube? Pretty interesting. Pretty detailed and lengthy howeveer.

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Ever listened to RC Sproul's Apologetics series on Youtube? Pretty interesting. Pretty detailed and lengthy howeveer.

no, though i am familiar with sproul. i've spent vast amounts of time studying apologetics... does he depart from the standard set by guys like strobel/mcdowell/kreeft in any way? what does he offer that's new?

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I really didn't want this to devolve into a debate about the existence of Jesus or the validaty of the Judeo-Christian faith. If you dont believe you can not answer the question posed in the OP. So what do you really have to contribute? This is to no one in particular just trying to stem the tide.

I dont think folks had any certain direction in the beginning of where you were headed, not sure it that still is not the case.

I am not sure that true belief or disbelief in a god could be turned on or off based on skin color. If it could, then I am certain it would be little more than a shallow excercise and unsustainable.

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no, though i am familiar with sproul. i've spent vast amounts of time studying apologetics... does he depart from the standard set by guys like strobel/mcdowell/kreeft in any way? what does he offer that's new?

Very lengthy and totally against any sort of blind faith. Series is long. Epistomology discussions are where is starts to get interesting. Best thing is that each section is between 20-25 mins, so it can be "eaten" a bit at a time.

He was a professor at temple and had his students study the leading atheists. Pretty different from mainstream, blind faith guys who think it taboo to even entertain alternate thought.

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all of apologetics argues against blind faith by arguing manifest teleology as a knowable basis from which a causal entity may be derived. i know of no apologeticist that takes any other angle.

what does he say about epistemology?

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it's difficult to find scholars who believe jesus never existed. his historicity is constantly challenged but very rarely his existence

Easier to find them than a witness account of Jesus from before a century after he died.

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