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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1362357686' post='2150422']
I really didn't want this to devolve into a debate about the existence of Jesus or the validaty of the Judeo-Christian faith. If you dont believe you can not answer the question posed in the OP. So what do you really have to contribute? This is to no one in particular just trying to stem the tide.
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I dont think folks had any certain direction in the beginning of where you were headed, not sure it that still is not the case.

I am not sure that true belief or disbelief in a god could be turned on or off based on skin color. If it could, then I am certain it would be little more than a shallow excercise and unsustainable.

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[quote name='PhillyB' timestamp='1362358961' post='2150437']


no, though i am familiar with sproul. i've spent vast amounts of time studying apologetics... does he depart from the standard set by guys like strobel/mcdowell/kreeft in any way? what does he offer that's new?
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Very lengthy and totally against any sort of blind faith. Series is long. Epistomology discussions are where is starts to get interesting. Best thing is that each section is between 20-25 mins, so it can be "eaten" a bit at a time.

He was a professor at temple and had his students study the leading atheists. Pretty different from mainstream, blind faith guys who think it taboo to even entertain alternate thought.

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all of apologetics argues against blind faith by arguing manifest teleology as a knowable basis from which a causal entity may be derived. i know of no apologeticist that takes any other angle.

what does he say about epistemology?

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[quote name='PhillyB' timestamp='1362348978' post='2150335']

it's difficult to find scholars who believe jesus never existed. his historicity is constantly challenged but very rarely his existence
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Easier to find them than a witness account of Jesus from before a century after he died.

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what if the lack of some lock solid evidence is there simply for it having to be by faith?

if everything was 100% open and shut, what would be the point in faith in God? many times the riddles in our lives aren"t a nice and neat ending like a Michael Bay movie.

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[quote name='pstall' timestamp='1362367336' post='2150523']
what if the lack of some lock solid evidence is there simply for it having to be by faith?

if everything was 100% open and shut, what would be the point in faith in God? many times the riddles in our lives aren"t a nice and neat ending like a Michael Bay movie.
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i can't help but think this is theology adapting to concrete conditions rather than conditions resulting from that original truth

i think that makes sense

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1362366824' post='2150520']
Easier to find them than a witness account of Jesus from before a century after he died.
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maleable historicity aside, do you believe jesus existed as a historical figure?

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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1362357686' post='2150422']
I really didn't want this to devolve into a debate about the existence of Jesus or the validaty of the Judeo-Christian faith. If you dont believe you can not answer the question posed in the OP. So what do you really have to contribute? This is to no one in particular just trying to stem the tide.
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Yeah guys seriously - can we get back on my track with my race baiting now please?!?!

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I like how it is always acceptable for people to get douchey and mock people's religious beliefs and use derogatory language towards religious types on here, but anything outside of religion (women, gays, etc.) makes you a bigot.

You can talk all day and show how well-versed you are in "history," of which accounts were also written by men, but how do you fill in the gaps? When science has yet to explain something, what is your answer? Coincidence? LOL.

To haphazardly assume that you have all the answers of this universe with your insignificant brain within the vast scope of it is purely ignorance at its finest.

And yet, what is even more ignorant is to speak in scientific terms about something that is supernatural. Evidence, "blind faith," historical records, or whatever else... If you have not experienced something that is supernatural, how can you accurately speak on such? You are talking out of place and from an ill informed perspective. When one has experienced something that is supernatural and know that it is God, and then is able to link that supernatural experience with something that is "known" in historical or scientific accounts, how can you try to explain away what they [i]know[/i], when you haven't had the same experience?

This isn't to any one person in particular, just in general.
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Now hit me with another anti-religious joke! Man, they're such knee slappers! Huckhuckhuck11!!1

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Hey guys never mind if Jesus existed. It isn't important. If we knew for sure that he existed then what would be the point of having the choice to have faith in him? I mean, it wasn't like it was so important for people to believe in god that god sent his only begotten son to inspire faith in return for everlasting life, or anything.

lol

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Wow, a religion thread! I bet tons of minds were changed here...

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religion thread AND a race thread at that.


frankly, I don't care if Jesus was purple, it has little bearing on his life.

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