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Ramses Barden and Domenik Hixon

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I think the better question is what makes you have faith in a reciever who's going into his third year in the league and has 42 yards and 1 TD total? And the majority of that is off one catch?

What has burned this franchise for years is filling the roster with late round guys that we hope one day develop and never do(see: every WR we've drafted now named Lafell/Smith, every cornerback convert we drafted and moved to safety etc etc).

Hixon and Barden have both actually produced in the NFL, we can't keep a WR corps with the Armanti Edwards and Pilares of the world, who are average at best KR, and who's career stats combined wihth 5 years combined in the league are less then Barden's one game against us.

100% hitting the nail on the head. Good post.

Hopefully Gettleman can vastly improve the depth and talent on this roster over the next few seasons...

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What are the differences between picking up Barden and keeping Lamont Bryant which I have seen people on here say we should do. Barden is bigger and at least has actual game experience

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Anyone can follow a model, it doesn't mean they actually have a clue what they're doing.

Funny you mention those three teams, who happen to be among the best in the league. Why is that you think? They build through the draft but actually know how to do it well. Hurney was an absolute disaster outside the 1st round.

Ugh I don't even want to talk about Keyshawn, I hope you don't consider that acquisition a success. Hackett was a disaster. Drew Carter, Keary Colbert, and Dwayne Jarrett, just lol. So that leaves us with Moose, and Steve Smith who Hurney didn't even draft.

If only simply trying yet often failing miserably ever counted for anything right?

Hey here's to better results with Gettleman.

I thought the Keyshawn acquisition worked out well. We brought him here just to compliment smith; he was productive and didn't cause any issues. In fact I thought cutting him for Jarret was really dumb.

Hackett was a disaster, and a good example why we are hesitant to go after higher profile FAs. He wasn't predicted to be a superstar but many teams were bidding on him and looking at him. Many folks around the league felt he would have been a good target to land.

Carter was only really hyped up by people on this board because of his measureables. He wasn't taken seriously by anyone in the league and was looked at as a 4th stringer at best.

Jarrett was a total bust, but so was just about every skill position player from that USC team. Leinhart, Bush (not a complete bust, but NOWHERE near what he was hyped up to be), Lendale White, Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett... none of them lived up to expectations. However all the Olinemen are doing quite well in the NFL, which goes to show you how much offensive production you can get with an elite Oline and subpar talent at skill positions.

I'm not really sure why Colbert was such a failure. He looked great as a rookie but just never improved.

Look I get that none of these worked out but they weren't stupid decisions. Many experts felt these guys were acquired at good value for us - without reaching or overpaying for - they just ended up being significantly less productive than anyone could have anticipated.

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I thought the Keyshawn acquisition worked out well. We brought him here just to compliment smith; he was productive and didn't cause any issues. In fact I thought cutting him for Jarret was really dumb.

Hackett was a disaster, and a good example why we are hesitant to go after higher profile FAs. He wasn't predicted to be a superstar but many teams were bidding on him and looking at him. Many folks around the league felt he would have been a good target to land.

Carter was only really hyped up by people on this board because of his measureables. He wasn't taken seriously by anyone in the league and was looked at as a 4th stringer at best.

Jarrett was a total bust, but so was just about every skill position player from that USC team. Leinhart, Bush (not a complete bust, but NOWHERE near what he was hyped up to be), Lendale White, Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett... none of them lived up to expectations. However all the Olinemen are doing quite well in the NFL, which goes to show you how much offensive production you can get with an elite Oline and subpar talent at skill positions.

I'm not really sure why Colbert was such a failure. He looked great as a rookie but just never improved.

Look I get that none of these worked out but they weren't stupid decisions. Many experts felt these guys were acquired at good value for us - without reaching or overpaying for - they just ended up being significantly less productive than anyone could have anticipated.

I completely agree with you about offensive linemen.

Forgot about Lendale White. I remember people wanting him over Deangelo Williams, what a great idea.

Sure some of it you can attribute to bad luck but overall he was just not a good GM. What bothers me is when people talk about our receiver depth they always speak as if Steve will just be here forever.

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Ramses and Hixon have had success in a highly scrutinized evnironment and that would be good experience to bring in. Not saying they are #1 or #2's but they could bring in good depth and allow for steve and lafell to move around the field.

Edit: the key thing to remember in all of this is that it will be cheap

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Joe person just told me we probably just get one or the other.

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I completely agree with you about offensive linemen.

Forgot about Lendale White. I remember people wanting him over Deangelo Williams, what a great idea.

Sure some of it you can attribute to bad luck but overall he was just not a good GM. What bothers me is when people talk about our receiver depth they always speak as if Steve will just be here forever.

Oh no no no I think you misunderstood. Hurney was a horrible GM. I'm just saying that during his tenure here he DID consider WR depth something that needed to be addressed, and put decent money/picks into trying to resolve that situation. I think it was one of the few things that he took a sensible approach to (but still ultimately failed at).

Nah we all know Steve is gonna hit that age bump very shortly. My whole point is that I don't think we should go the Falcons route and spend half a draft to get just one guy (unless its like.. Calvin Johnson) and I'd rather we go the NYG/GB approach and get a crop of guys we can rely on to get the job done.

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Cruz joined the team a year after Barden. There is probably a reason Cruz became a starter and Barden is still "buried on the depth chart"

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Oh no no no I think you misunderstood. Hurney was a horrible GM. I'm just saying that during his tenure here he DID consider WR depth something that needed to be addressed, and put decent money/picks into trying to resolve that situation. I think it was one of the few things that he took a sensible approach to (but still ultimately failed at).

Nah we all know Steve is gonna hit that age bump very shortly. My whole point is that I don't think we should go the Falcons route and spend half a draft to get just one guy (unless its like.. Calvin Johnson) and I'd rather we go the NYG/GB approach and get a crop of guys we can rely on to get the job done.

I see. Well I'm still bitter about all the wasted picks and busts he gave us to pass up on future stars.

Anyway, once Steve Smith has retired I doubt there will be many limits as to what we would be willing to give up to acquire a receiver of his caliber again. I thought the Falcons were idiots, but I would rather address it now and not later on when it's too late and we have to be terribly desperate like Atlanta was.

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