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#1 nosuchthingasapanther

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:10 PM

read the article for details...

most undervalued -

1. greg hardy
2. cam newton
3. greg olsen
4. thomas davis
5. luke kuechly
6. brandon lafell
7. mike tolbert
8. steve smith
9. captain munnerlyn
10. jeff byers

most overvalued -

1. chris gamble
2. deangelo williams
3. jordan gross
4. jon beason
5. ryan kalil
6. james anderson
7. jonathan stewart
8. charles godfrey
9. ron edwards
10. charles johnson

#2 jtnc

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:35 PM

B-b-b-but they said Deangelo wasn't earning his top rb dollars! Clearly they have not watched the highlight vids of him on youtube from four years ago.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:46 PM

So none one is valued? This thread is dildos.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:05 PM

I like PFF, but this stat is somewhat contrived. A player that renegotiated last year is worth more than one that didn't, and neither are better than guys on rookie contracts.

What they should do is valuate based on the mean, and then that'll be representative of the value per year for that year. They're also valuing 2012 based on 2013 salaries,


It's tough to see Gamble on that list. I wasn't aware of that stat - and was aware of the only other one they posted - 0.45 yards per route run, where he was supposedly best in the league when he got hurt. So I don't know how you can have almost no routes run, and give up a completion on 2 out of every 3 balls thrown your way, unless that also means a very small amount of targets (and therefore a small sample size). But it makes sense - he's being paid very highly this year.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

So none one is valued? This thread is dildos.

PFF often does fantastic analysis, but this is a problem of theirs. It's always the top ten and bottom ten of anything.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:12 PM

B-b-b-but they said Deangelo wasn't earning his top rb dollars! Clearly they have not watched the highlight vids of him on youtube from four years ago.

the list doesn't say anything different.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:17 PM

I agree with that list for the most part

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:18 PM

I agree with that list for the most part

same here, esp. considering the context.



#9 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:58 AM

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:52 AM

I like Deangelo but he really doesn't deserve all of that money. I'm not even saying that it's his fault. He just hasn't been getting the carries that a guy who is payed like that should get.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:28 AM

When the NFL is moving away from emphasis on the running back position and servicable RB's can be found in FA and late in the draft, the contracts given to our aging RBs are laughable at best. To call them overvalued is an UNDERSTATEMENT.

Under the John Fox scheme, where we were a legit running team, they were very important. Hell, I remember seasons where we ran the ball so stubbornly that we were down to our 4th string running back due to injury. Sadly, that offensive scheme run by Davidson is no longer utilized (did I say sadly, I meant thank FSM).

The simple fact that numerous individuals on this board cling to the idea that D-will and J-stew are still necessary to this offense is rediculous. Yes, as fans we love our players, but honestly, we could have cut both of them and invest there salaries in the O-line and make a 4th round draft pick or Armond Smith/Tauren Pool a servicable starter

#12 MadHatter

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:35 AM

When the NFL is moving away from emphasis on the running back position and servicable RB's can be found in FA and late in the draft, the contracts given to our aging RBs are laughable at best. To call them overvalued is an UNDERSTATEMENT.

Under the John Fox scheme, where we were a legit running team, they were very important. Hell, I remember seasons where we ran the ball so stubbornly that we were down to our 4th string running back due to injury. Sadly, that offensive scheme run by Davidson is no longer utilized (did I say sadly, I meant thank FSM).

The simple fact that numerous individuals on this board cling to the idea that D-will and J-stew are still necessary to this offense is rediculous. Yes, as fans we love our players, but honestly, we could cut both of them and invest there salaries in the O-line and make a 4th round draft pick or Armond Smith/Tauren Pool a servicable starter


I don't think there are many people on here who:

1. think either DWill or JStew are worth what they are being paid, and
2. believe they are critical to this team's success


However, I am not sure that the very small cap savings that you get from releasing either of them makes cutting them right now a smart decision. Both create substantial dead cap space if cut. Combine that with the amount that would be spent to replace them and the cost-benefit is not so clear cut.

I think that you keep them for another season or two and then let them go. Not because they can't or shouldn't be replaced, but because the amount of cap hit with them and without them (including replacements) is not materially different.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:39 AM

I don't think there are many people on here who:

1. think either DWill or JStew are worth what they are being paid, and
2. believe they are critical to this team's success


However, I am not sure that the very small cap savings that you get from releasing either of them makes cutting them right now a smart decision. Both create substantial dead cap space if cut. Combine that with the amount that would be spent to replace them and the cost-benefit is not so clear cut.

I think that you keep them for another season or two and then let them go. Not because they can't or shouldn't be replaced, but because the amount of cap hit with them and without them (including replacements) is not materially different.


Oh, I agree completely. We have put ourselves in a position where financially, it makes no sense to get rid of them. extremely poor decisions by our front office

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:39 AM

I think having A good RB is critical to our success, but not 2.

I think Stew is more worth his contract than DLo is his. The addition of Tolbert really baffled me given what we had in the backfield to begin with. I like Tolbert and he showed his worth, but it would be about the same as signing a top level FA LB this season.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:40 AM

Oh, I agree completely. We have put ourselves in a position where financially, it makes no sense to get rid of them. extrememly poor decisions by our front office


No arguement there.

That is why people need to understand that it is going to take several off-seasons for Gettleman to correct the situation we are in.


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