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I don't think there are many people on here who:

1. think either DWill or JStew are worth what they are being paid, and

2. believe they are critical to this team's success

However, I am not sure that the very small cap savings that you get from releasing either of them makes cutting them right now a smart decision. Both create substantial dead cap space if cut. Combine that with the amount that would be spent to replace them and the cost-benefit is not so clear cut.

I think that you keep them for another season or two and then let them go. Not because they can't or shouldn't be replaced, but because the amount of cap hit with them and without them (including replacements) is not materially different.

Oh, I agree completely. We have put ourselves in a position where financially, it makes no sense to get rid of them. extremely poor decisions by our front office

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I think having A good RB is critical to our success, but not 2.

I think Stew is more worth his contract than DLo is his. The addition of Tolbert really baffled me given what we had in the backfield to begin with. I like Tolbert and he showed his worth, but it would be about the same as signing a top level FA LB this season.

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Oh, I agree completely. We have put ourselves in a position where financially, it makes no sense to get rid of them. extrememly poor decisions by our front office

No arguement there.

That is why people need to understand that it is going to take several off-seasons for Gettleman to correct the situation we are in.

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No arguement there.

That is why people need to understand that it is going to take several off-seasons for Gettleman to correct the situation we are in.

But in Madden I re-invented my entire roster to all All Pro's in a matter of minutes...

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I think one factor to "performance based value" is directly dependent on the team as a whole. (a player is only a single link in a chain) While many of the players mentioned played their hearts out, to assess the value of "undervalued" players as a certain number despite being on a 7-9 team leaves alot to be considered.

Greg Hardy with the year he had on our 7-9 team would be PBV at X...but Greg Hardy wit the same year and stats on a team like the 49's or Ravens would have a much HIGHER PBV. Seems the author uses the same yardstick regardless of the performance of the team as a whole.. Although the player himself may have played well, the value should be more associated with how that performance affected the success of the team within the league and its record...not on the value a player "may" have based on how other players with different teams and similar stats stats have performed.

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When the NFL is moving away from emphasis on the running back position and servicable RB's can be found in FA and late in the draft, the contracts given to our aging RBs are laughable at best. To call them overvalued is an UNDERSTATEMENT.

Under the John Fox scheme, where we were a legit running team, they were very important. Hell, I remember seasons where we ran the ball so stubbornly that we were down to our 4th string running back due to injury. Sadly, that offensive scheme run by Davidson is no longer utilized (did I say sadly, I meant thank FSM).

The simple fact that numerous individuals on this board cling to the idea that D-will and J-stew are still necessary to this offense is rediculous. Yes, as fans we love our players, but honestly, we could have cut both of them and invest there salaries in the O-line and make a 4th round draft pick or Armond Smith/Tauren Pool a servicable starter

All I know is that the teams that actually made the playoffs had pretty good RBs for the most part. I could argue that the reason that the Pats haven't been able to win a ring in years is because they haven't committed to the running game, and have tried to do the "serviceable back" thing. Moreover, I suggest the Packers will have a similar problem if they don't change their philosophy. I really don't think that we need two top RB1s on the roster, but to say that both are overvalued is just shortsighted in my opinion.

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All I know is that the teams that actually made the playoffs had pretty good RBs for the most part. I could argue that the reason that the Pats haven't been able to win a ring in years is because they haven't committed to the running game, and have tried to do the "serviceable back" thing. Moreover, I suggest the Packers will have a similar problem if they don't change their philosophy. I really don't think that we need two top RB1s on the roster, but to say that both are overvalued is just shortsighted in my opinion.

Hard to win in the NFL...it terms of winning it all. So many cards have to fall in your favor. Almost need luck.

GB the last 3 years.

Superbowl Champs (10-6)

15-1

11-5

I would say there formula of not giving a poo about who runs for them is working pretty well. Yet from our loser seat we suggest they need to be a tad more like us for success?

Carolina and there stacked backfield hasn't posted a winning record in that time period

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I think that this is an obvious case of the stats not telling the whole story, particularly when it comes to LaFell and Munnerlyn.

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Hard to win in the NFL...it terms of winning it all. So many cards have to fall in your favor. Almost need luck.

GB the last 3 years.

Superbowl Champs (10-6)

15-1

11-5

I would say there formula of not giving a poo about who runs for them is working pretty well. Yet from our loser seat we suggest they need to be a tad more like us for success?

Carolina and there stacked backfield hasn't posted a winning record in that time period

You're looking at it a little too simplistically. I admit that they have won a lot of games, including a championship, but ultimately for the last couple of seasons during the big dance, they have been watching from the house like 30 other teams. The Panthers problems during the last three years has been about rebuilding on and off the field. We'll see how the Packers fare with Jennings, Woodson and Finley gone bye-bye. They will meet teams like the 49ers and Seahawks in the playoffs, be outed for their lack of a strong running game, and fall like a house of cards year after year.

And, by the way, we haven't looked like anything the last couple of years because we have been finding ourselves, and it has showed. But hopefully this year things will begin to come together.

Remember when we almost kicked their ass a couple of seasons ago? I submit to you that if we get another WR, and recommit to the running game, we will finish the job next time.

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You're looking at it a little too simplistically. I admit that they have won a lot of games, including a championship, but ultimately for the last couple of seasons during the big dance, they have been watching from the house like 30 other teams. The Panthers problems during the last three years has been about rebuilding on and off the field. We'll see how the Packers fare with Jennings, Woodson and Finley gone bye-bye. They will meet teams like the 49ers and Seahawks in the playoffs, be outed for their lack of a strong running game, and fall like a house of cards year after year.

And, by the way, we haven't looked like anything the last couple of years because we have been finding ourselves, and it has showed. But hopefully this year things will begin to come together.

Remember when we almost kicked their ass a couple of seasons ago? I submit to you that if we get another WR, and recommit to the running game, we will finish the job next time.

They went 15-1 in 2011 and appeared to be the hands down favorite. I think sitting players and getting out of that dominant rythem was what cost them.....not their backfield. They just dropped balls.... they weren't stopped.

Hard to win it all in the NFL....poo happens.

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I see a number of "formulas" working in the NFL right now. This is a serious oversimplification

1. dominant, take away defense paired with a ball control (RB high priority) offense. The teams that can lull you to sleep by running the ball somewhat consistantly and then picking up large chunk yardage. (See Ravens)

2. Pass happy and porous yet opportunistic defense. (Low priority RB) These teams tend to have pocket passers and will outscore you. The defense tends to play for the turn over. (Patriots, Packers, Saints)

3. New system, needs defining. Mobile QB, shut down defense. Roll of RB unclear with QB picking up majority of rushing yards. (see 49ers, Seahawks, Panthers)

* Trying to put to words what is in my head is more difficult than I thought.

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But in Madden I re-invented my entire roster to all All Pro's in a matter of minutes...

Ha! I do miss the days when people would post like that and be serious.

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