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#16 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:43 AM

No arguement there.

That is why people need to understand that it is going to take several off-seasons for Gettleman to correct the situation we are in.



But in Madden I re-invented my entire roster to all All Pro's in a matter of minutes...

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:45 AM

I think one factor to "performance based value" is directly dependent on the team as a whole. (a player is only a single link in a chain) While many of the players mentioned played their hearts out, to assess the value of "undervalued" players as a certain number despite being on a 7-9 team leaves alot to be considered.

Greg Hardy with the year he had on our 7-9 team would be PBV at X...but Greg Hardy wit the same year and stats on a team like the 49's or Ravens would have a much HIGHER PBV. Seems the author uses the same yardstick regardless of the performance of the team as a whole.. Although the player himself may have played well, the value should be more associated with how that performance affected the success of the team within the league and its record...not on the value a player "may" have based on how other players with different teams and similar stats stats have performed.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:13 AM

When the NFL is moving away from emphasis on the running back position and servicable RB's can be found in FA and late in the draft, the contracts given to our aging RBs are laughable at best. To call them overvalued is an UNDERSTATEMENT.

Under the John Fox scheme, where we were a legit running team, they were very important. Hell, I remember seasons where we ran the ball so stubbornly that we were down to our 4th string running back due to injury. Sadly, that offensive scheme run by Davidson is no longer utilized (did I say sadly, I meant thank FSM).

The simple fact that numerous individuals on this board cling to the idea that D-will and J-stew are still necessary to this offense is rediculous. Yes, as fans we love our players, but honestly, we could have cut both of them and invest there salaries in the O-line and make a 4th round draft pick or Armond Smith/Tauren Pool a servicable starter


All I know is that the teams that actually made the playoffs had pretty good RBs for the most part. I could argue that the reason that the Pats haven't been able to win a ring in years is because they haven't committed to the running game, and have tried to do the "serviceable back" thing. Moreover, I suggest the Packers will have a similar problem if they don't change their philosophy. I really don't think that we need two top RB1s on the roster, but to say that both are overvalued is just shortsighted in my opinion.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:18 AM

All I know is that the teams that actually made the playoffs had pretty good RBs for the most part. I could argue that the reason that the Pats haven't been able to win a ring in years is because they haven't committed to the running game, and have tried to do the "serviceable back" thing. Moreover, I suggest the Packers will have a similar problem if they don't change their philosophy. I really don't think that we need two top RB1s on the roster, but to say that both are overvalued is just shortsighted in my opinion.


Hard to win in the NFL...it terms of winning it all. So many cards have to fall in your favor. Almost need luck.

GB the last 3 years.

Superbowl Champs (10-6)
15-1
11-5

I would say there formula of not giving a poo about who runs for them is working pretty well. Yet from our loser seat we suggest they need to be a tad more like us for success?

Carolina and there stacked backfield hasn't posted a winning record in that time period

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:20 AM

I think that this is an obvious case of the stats not telling the whole story, particularly when it comes to LaFell and Munnerlyn.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:33 AM

Hard to win in the NFL...it terms of winning it all. So many cards have to fall in your favor. Almost need luck.

GB the last 3 years.

Superbowl Champs (10-6)
15-1
11-5

I would say there formula of not giving a poo about who runs for them is working pretty well. Yet from our loser seat we suggest they need to be a tad more like us for success?

Carolina and there stacked backfield hasn't posted a winning record in that time period


You're looking at it a little too simplistically. I admit that they have won a lot of games, including a championship, but ultimately for the last couple of seasons during the big dance, they have been watching from the house like 30 other teams. The Panthers problems during the last three years has been about rebuilding on and off the field. We'll see how the Packers fare with Jennings, Woodson and Finley gone bye-bye. They will meet teams like the 49ers and Seahawks in the playoffs, be outed for their lack of a strong running game, and fall like a house of cards year after year.

And, by the way, we haven't looked like anything the last couple of years because we have been finding ourselves, and it has showed. But hopefully this year things will begin to come together.

Remember when we almost kicked their ass a couple of seasons ago? I submit to you that if we get another WR, and recommit to the running game, we will finish the job next time.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:42 AM

You're looking at it a little too simplistically. I admit that they have won a lot of games, including a championship, but ultimately for the last couple of seasons during the big dance, they have been watching from the house like 30 other teams. The Panthers problems during the last three years has been about rebuilding on and off the field. We'll see how the Packers fare with Jennings, Woodson and Finley gone bye-bye. They will meet teams like the 49ers and Seahawks in the playoffs, be outed for their lack of a strong running game, and fall like a house of cards year after year.

And, by the way, we haven't looked like anything the last couple of years because we have been finding ourselves, and it has showed. But hopefully this year things will begin to come together.

Remember when we almost kicked their ass a couple of seasons ago? I submit to you that if we get another WR, and recommit to the running game, we will finish the job next time.


They went 15-1 in 2011 and appeared to be the hands down favorite. I think sitting players and getting out of that dominant rythem was what cost them.....not their backfield. They just dropped balls.... they weren't stopped.

Hard to win it all in the NFL....poo happens.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:56 AM

I see a number of "formulas" working in the NFL right now. This is a serious oversimplification

1. dominant, take away defense paired with a ball control (RB high priority) offense. The teams that can lull you to sleep by running the ball somewhat consistantly and then picking up large chunk yardage. (See Ravens)

2. Pass happy and porous yet opportunistic defense. (Low priority RB) These teams tend to have pocket passers and will outscore you. The defense tends to play for the turn over. (Patriots, Packers, Saints)

3. New system, needs defining. Mobile QB, shut down defense. Roll of RB unclear with QB picking up majority of rushing yards. (see 49ers, Seahawks, Panthers)


* Trying to put to words what is in my head is more difficult than I thought.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:05 PM

But in Madden I re-invented my entire roster to all All Pro's in a matter of minutes...

Ha! I do miss the days when people would post like that and be serious.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:17 PM

I don't put Gross that high, if we didn't have him who else on roster could play LT? When is the last time we had a backup LT on roster and don't dare say Travelle Wharton sliding over from guard lol

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:30 PM

If D-Will or J-Stew were a full time RB then they would probably be worth the money

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:33 PM

If D-Will or J-Stew were a full time RB then they would probably be worth the money

If Godfrey could tackle he would be worth is...


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