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#31 koolkatluke

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

championship defenses are not built around baby faced DT's, look around.



Most Championship defense draft and develop their own DT. They don't depend on old ones off the bargin bin.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:37 PM

By that logic he should just forego the draft and develop all our young guys.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:56 PM

By that logic he should just forego the draft and develop all our young guys.


No we locate the real problems and try to fix those.

We had the 16th passing attack with a bad Oline and a Play caller looking for a HC job.
Hopefully we fixed 1 of those things now we need to work on the other.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:05 AM

Yeah, a lack of receiving targets in a throwing league isn't a need.

I understand we have some other needs, but other than RG and DT I think WR is just as pressing as any other and given the depth and talent in this draft class I think it would be foolish to pass up on it.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:14 AM

Yeah, a lack of receiving targets in a throwing league isn't a need.

I understand we have some other needs, but other than RG and DT I think WR is just as pressing as any other and given the depth andy talent in this draft class I think it would be foolish to pass up on it.


Was it a lack of receiving targets or a lack of time to find those receiving targets? Or maybe a bad play call from a OC that had a total disconnect from his roster. Remember he forgot about a running game could help a passing game.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:26 AM

Mixed Bag for me.

I love the idea of trading back, who wouldn't. This draft is loaded with value in 2nd and 3rd rounds.

1. Canty is injury problem, would not sign him, don't mind the other two FA's.
2. DT is a major strong category in this draft, but we don't take one.
3. You seem to be all about WR's and DB's in your draft.
4. Oday will be hard pressed to see the field except in RT backup role.
5. Lester cannot put his finger up his butt with both hands. ST player at best.

Please draft a few players over 220 lbs. Huge haul of picks and all small

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:35 AM

Was it a lack of receiving targets or a lack of time to find those receiving targets? Or maybe a bad play call from a OC that had a total disconnect from his roster. Remember he forgot about a running game could help a passing game.


From what I saw, and continue to see as I re-watch the games on coaches film it's all three.

However, the OL wasn't as bad as a whole as they get pinned for. There were also quite a few times where the pocket was solid, but crowded and Cam just missed the throw and looking at his feet usually tells you why. I also saw a number of passes clunk off of receiver's hands, most notably Murphy...or off his facemask, chest, etc.

The OL was usually one guy losing his battle and starting a ripple effect.

This is an argument you could take to extremes with football with the true "team" nature of the game. If the WR's were better and beating cvg then the OL wouldn't have to hold blocks as long, if Cam was a better, faster decision maker you could say the same, if the OL held their blocks longer then the routes could develop, or Cam could go deeper into his reads, etc.

I just see a wealth of talent at WR and don't want to let it slip by. I'm not saying we sacrifise other needs to load up on WR's, but I do think you take a chance with some young playmakers. It's working very well for Green Bay, New England and a couple others.

Yes, we need RG badly, regardless of Dwan we need a DT, if we cut Gamble we'll need a CB, so one and so forth.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:03 AM

From what I saw, and continue to see as I re-watch the games on coaches film it's all three.

However, the OL wasn't as bad as a whole as they get pinned for. There were also quite a few times where the pocket was solid, but crowded and Cam just missed the throw and looking at his feet usually tells you why. I also saw a number of passes clunk off of receiver's hands, most notably Murphy...or off his facemask, chest, etc.

The OL was usually one guy losing his battle and starting a ripple effect.

This is an argument you could take to extremes with football with the true "team" nature of the game. If the WR's were better and beating cvg then the OL wouldn't have to hold blocks as long, if Cam was a better, faster decision maker you could say the same, if the OL held their blocks longer then the routes could develop, or Cam could go deeper into his reads, etc.

I just see a wealth of talent at WR and don't want to let it slip by. I'm not saying we sacrifise other needs to load up on WR's, but I do think you take a chance with some young playmakers. It's working very well for Green Bay, New England and a couple others.

Yes, we need RG badly, regardless of Dwan we need a DT, if we cut Gamble we'll need a CB, so one and so forth.


I would agree with you if I hadn't heard Steve Smith on the radio. He felt like the problem was more a disconnect from coaching to the roster. And the end of the season seem to prove that. More traditional offense using a under center running game made a better offense as a whole.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:18 AM

I agree with Steve and I've taken a lot of crap for saying I felt like we had most of the talent we need to win. There are some obvious exceptions (Nakamura, Hangartner) but I feel like our biggest problem right now is the coaching.

As for the WR's, I do have to admit I'm excited seeing what Proehl can do as the WR coach and not playing second fiddle to someone else. I do still think we need to try to replace Smith, father time is his biggest adversary.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:14 AM

Switch Hunter for best DT available and I love it. I dont think there is anyway we get Canty and Dwan. Plus Hunter most likely wont be there. Swope may be my favorite WR is this draft like a mix between Smitty and Peyton Hillis. Slay would be a great value and Elam is a stud.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:21 AM

I don't know that I WANT Canty AND Dwan. They're both older DT's, I'd rather have one or the other and some young guys to develop.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:47 PM

I don't know that I WANT Canty AND Dwan. They're both older DT's, I'd rather have one or the other and some young guys to develop.


Totally agree with this. Since Jenkins we done little to nothing to develop a young DT. I liked McClain and still don't know what he did to get kicked outta here. I still have some faith in Kerase and Chandler.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:21 PM

I'm also just not that impressed with Hunter. For all the hype he garnered I saw nothing to really get excited about other than the fact that physically he resembles Randy Moss.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:49 PM

I'm also just not that impressed with Hunter. For all the hype he garnered I saw nothing to really get excited about other than the fact that physically he resembles Randy Moss.


But you think Patterson is a elite prospect. Hunter is more polished has bigger hands can jump higher and only a .02 slower coming off a ACL.


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