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Bucky Brooks' latest mock (has us passing on Patterson). Hmmph.


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#106 koolkatluke

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:35 AM

I like both guards it depends on what type of blocking system you have. Cooper is a perfect fit for a Zone Blocking scheme and Warmack is a man child made for a down hill running attack.

You dog Warmack for a combine performance all you want. But I saw this dude man Handle DT who will and were drafted in the 1st round.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:36 AM

if his ticker checks out i doubt he makes it past #5. definitely not past 10.


It could still scare a few key teams away. See Frank Alexander.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:37 AM

I don't dog Warmack for his Combine performance, but it is disappointing when a guy shows up to the biggest job interview of his life out of shape.

It'd be akin to an Ivy League valedictorian showing up to his interview with a wrinkled suit and uncombed hair. It's just unbecoming.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:37 AM

I like both guards it depends on what type of blocking system you have. Cooper is a perfect fit for a Zone Blocking scheme and Warmack is a man child made for a down hill running attack.

You dog Warmack for a combine performance all you want. But I saw this dude man Handle DT who will and were drafted in the 1st round.


I'm not dogging Warmack, I just don't see him as the demi-God you do.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:38 AM

Now you're just talking out of your ass. Go back and watch Dwan against the run all season and try to make that comment.

As for Richardson, I don't care if he's "good" against the run. All we need him to do is hold his spot and occupy his blocker and let our exceptional LB Corps do their jobs.


No I'm not. It is a known fact that he was not good against the run. You want two slim DT's playing and not a DT that can take on the double team? I'm trying to be level headed here, while you tell me i'm talking out of my ass. Dwan is great for what he is. a 31, 32 year old defensive tackle. But we need a big body like Ron. Being a big bodied DT that can also pass rush is a luxury. That is why Star is so highly valued. We can't have Richardson and Dwan as our DT's. They will get pushed around. I'm not talking out of my ass. This is basic football 101.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:40 AM

First rounders play KR/PR pretty often, especially when they've excelled at it before.

You're not spending the pick on a return guy, it's an added bonus. He's a legit receiver who is a bonafide playmaker. He has great size, speed, agility, etc. He, like many, needs to work on technique but to be rated this highly after just one year of NCAA ball says something about his potential.


That's your problem Jack he's not legit. Every Breakdown says he's raw. And now people are saying he might have trouble learning a Playbook.

How many special team plays was Luke in last year?

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:43 AM

No I'm not. It is a known fact that he was not good against the run. You want two slim DT's playing and not a DT that can take on the double team? I'm trying to be level headed hear while you tell me i'm talking out of my ass. Dwan is great for what he is. a 31, 32 year old defensive tackle. But we need a big body like Ron. Being a big bodied DT that can also pass rush is a luxury. That is why Star is so highly valued. We can't have Richardson and Dwan as our DT's. They will get pushed around. I'm not talking out of my ass. This is basic football 101.


It was Dwan that took on most of the double teams and still held the point, not Ron. Please, go back and rewatch the games, I already have. You'll see that you're completely wrong.

Also, if you were really as astute at football as you think you are you'd realize size is only a part of the equation. There are a lot of big bodies out there that get knocked around while some of the smaller guys do their jobs. You'd also know that there are different techniques that are employed and there are different ways to use DT's, they're not all the same.

If you have weak LB's and you depend on a NT/UT combo as your base then you're probably right, but if you want to play a gap control D like we do a lot of size isn't that big of a factor.

You're welcome for the intro to football class.

Check out NFL Game Rewind, it's well worth the investment.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:43 AM

I'm not dogging Warmack, I just don't see him as the demi-God you do.


Wait a minute don't you have Patterson as the next freak? But a player who is rated higher and some think could be the best player in the draft isn't much to look at????? OK

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:44 AM

The DROY isn't just any rookie though.

Patrick Peterson was the #5 overall pick in the draft and he made a bigger splash as a rookie on the return team than he did on defense. He was an absolute game changer on special teams while he developed on D. Having big time return skills only adds to a prospect's value. It isn't a reason to draft someone in the 1st round, but it's part of the big picture when looking at a prospect.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:47 AM

That's your problem Jack he's not legit. Every Breakdown says he's raw. And now people are saying he might have trouble learning a Playbook.

How many special team plays was Luke in last year?


So, number 1 rated WR in a talented WR draft class is not legit because you take the meaning of the word raw to extremes.

They said Cam couldn't run a pro offense. Said he was raw. They wondered if he had the intelligence to learn a pro system/playbook/calls. He was just a great athlete masquerading as a QB...

You're going to need a better arguement than that.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:48 AM

I also don't think it's a smart Idea to make our top 15 1st round pick our primary returner. How smart is it to put him in danger of taking a kill shot from a 3rd string LB or DB trying to make a name for himself and get on the highlight reel.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:49 AM

Wait a minute don't you have Patterson as the next freak? But a player who is rated higher and some think could be the best player in the draft isn't much to look at????? OK


No, I have him as the best WR in this draft class who I'd be happy drafting. If we passed on him for someone else I'd be just fine with it, Doesn't mean I don't think he can be damn good for years to come.

There's only one person I'm in love with from this draft - Star.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:50 AM

I also don't think it's a smart Idea to make our top 15 1st round pick our primary returner. How smart is it to put him in danger of taking a kill shot from a 3rd string LB or DB trying to make a name for himself and get on the highlight reel.


Yeah...how often does that actually happen?

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:51 AM

I also don't think it's a smart Idea to make our top 15 1st round pick our primary returner. How smart is it to put him in danger of taking a kill shot from a 3rd string LB or DB trying to make a name for himself and get on the highlight reel.


If he has a chance to make the type of impact Patrick Peterson did on returns, then you damn straight you put him back there.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:56 AM

Patterson doesn't catch the ball with his hands with anywhere near the consistency that I want to see with a #14 pick when you could have had a better player. Nor has he shown that he can consistently go up and compete for the ball in the air against DBs. He is simply a really big athletic guy that was able to use that athleticism to make plays in college. He is not AJ Green. He is not Dez Bryant. He is not Julio Jones. He isn't even Mike Crabtree. Not even the 3rd best WR in his own class IMO.


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