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Wealth Inequality in America

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then logically you should support government intervention in order to create full employment; think of it as a universal right to employment. unemployment doesn't exist because everyone that's unemployed refuses to work.

so which would you prefer? higher taxes on the rich to fund government work programs, or, disregarding the constitutionality of the proposal, a legal mandate that the private sector provide real work opportunities to those in search of work? or some other idea? (note: trickle down economics is a fairytale and is not a viable solution)

Your solution is still one that says lower income people cannot improve their position and should not worry about it...because someone else will take care of them.

That logic us massively flawed.

On paper, communism is the best form if gov't. Yet, it does not work because it plays on prople's natural laziness. If you get what you need, no matter yor input the following happens:

Those that take more than they contribute are never invented to work harder.

Those that contribute more than they take realize they don't have to work as hard to get the same.

Therefore, the entire structure begins to collapse.

History has proven this correct over and over.

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idk, "ncbiscuit got his master's" is a p funny joke

Cantrell with real world experience is even funnier...

then logically you should support government intervention in order to create full employment; think of it as a universal right to employment. unemployment doesn't exist because everyone that's unemployed refuses to work.

so which would you prefer? higher taxes on the rich to fund government work programs, or, disregarding the constitutionality of the proposal, a legal mandate that the private sector provide real work opportunities to those in search of work? or some other idea? (note: trickle down economics is a fairytale and is not a viable solution)

You're assuming that everyone will work hard if given the chance. That's the problem, as hatter said, with these programs... a lot of ( but not all) people, once they're on them don't give a crap anymore... they're taken care of so why try anymore? Take the handout, be lazy and do whatever you want.

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This bears repeating "you cannot legislate prosperity"

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then logically you should support government intervention in order to create full employment; think of it as a universal right to employment. unemployment doesn't exist because everyone that's unemployed refuses to work.

so which would you prefer? higher taxes on the rich to fund government work programs, or, disregarding the constitutionality of the proposal, a legal mandate that the private sector provide real work opportunities to those in search of work? or some other idea? (note: trickle down economics is a fairytale and is not a viable solution)

Not that I particularly like Cantrel's idea here, but nobody actually responded to it. You just went back to the 'people are lazy, you cant give them handouts' line even though that has nothing to do with this post

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Not that I particularly like Cantrel's idea here, but nobody actually responded to it. You just went back to the 'people are lazy, you cant give them handouts' line even though that has nothing to do with this post

this is why i usually don't treat posters like hatter or ncbiscuit with respect; neither argue in good faith

there is such inconsistency among the conservatives here. unemployment is high because obummer isn't doing anything, but government can't create jobs. there's no universal right to employment, but if you're unemployed you're a parasite.

capitalism essentially requires unemployment (outside of the fantasy world where perfectly competitive markets exist) and in fact the ruling class prefers artificially high levels of unemployment; they use this to depress wages and create an environment in which employees can't just tell their shitty boss "go fug yourself"

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Cantrell with real world experience is even funnier...

You're assuming that everyone will work hard if given the chance. That's the problem, as hatter said, with these programs... a lot of ( but not all) people, once they're on them don't give a crap anymore... they're taken care of so why try anymore? Take the handout, be lazy and do whatever you want.

a steady rise in worker productivity along with wage stagnation seems to indicate that there's absolutely no fuging incentive to "work hard"; this of course being irrelevant because you can't provide empirical evidence of your shitty claim that "a lot of people are just lazy"

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a steady rise in worker productivity along with wage stagnation seems to indicate that there's absolutely no fuging incentive to "work hard"; this of course being irrelevant because you can't provide empirical evidence of your shitty claim that "a lot of people are just lazy"

If you need "evidence" that people are lazy then youre way dumber than even I thought and that is really saying something.

Have you ever even worked a real job, ie. one outside a classroom?

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If you need "evidence" that people are lazy

this is a straw man. stop being deliberately disingenuous or stop posting

then youre way dumber than even I thought and that is really saying something.

this is ad hominem. defend your (at this point) baseless claim or stop posting

Have you ever even worked a real job, ie. one outside a classroom?

have you ever stood up without breaking a sweat?

see, neither of these questions are relevant to your baseless claim. i don't care about your anecdotes about the lazy guy you met that one time at your job.

i need evidence that:

1) "a lot" of people on government assistance are "just lazy" (your words) and, if you can find that information (you can't because it doesn't exist, though i certainly expect you to shift the goal posts as to what constitutes "a lot" to the point that in fact a very small percentage of assistance recipients meet the criteria), i'm going to also need evidence that:

2) the private sector will provide jobs for those who want a job at either a wage that keeps up with productivity, incentivizing "hard work" (it won't), or at the very least a living wage (it won't)

you don't get to call welfare recipients lazy when the glorious free market has yet to allow for full employment (and of course, never, ever will). as was said earlier, capitalists prefer artificially high unemployment for blatantly obvious reasons.

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I didn't think you would answer the question.

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this is why i usually don't treat posters like hatter or ncbiscuit with respect; neither argue in good faith

there is such inconsistency among the conservatives here. unemployment is high because obummer isn't doing anything, but government can't create jobs. there's no universal right to employment, but if you're unemployed you're a parasite.

capitalism essentially requires unemployment (outside of the fantasy world where perfectly competitive markets exist) and in fact the ruling class prefers artificially high levels of unemployment; they use this to depress wages and create an environment in which employees can't just tell their shitty boss "go fug yourself"

It is amusing that you would actually think that I care what you think about me or my opinions. My opinions, intelligence, and work ethic had resulted in a very successful life (both personally and financially). Your constant bitching about how unfair the system is and how it is others fault for what you don't had had only made you a bitter person and a financial disappointment.

Sur on the sidelines and complain about what others have....the others move on down the road of financial success....and you are still sitting in that same spit on the sidelines.

Enjoy the view.

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