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#136 Kurb

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

You don't really have to work smarter or harder. In a lot of cases you just have to be likable and in with the right people.

I probably do less work than everyone else in my position at my company but I get paid more than all of them...and will soon be their boss...simply because the president likes me. I chat with him and joke with him regularly, but my quality of work is no better than the rest of the people in my position.

I made about 25% more than most of them and my bonus was 15x greater than what some of the others in my position got...why? It certainly wasn't because I worked any harder. I just know how to make people think I'm an excellent employee and that I know more than I really do.

Bullshitting is a big part of business, but it doesn't make you a better employee. I'm not a bad employee, there is just no real way to justify why I make more than my co-workers.


What are you doing for work tensor? Feels like just yesterday you were signed on the board from high school.....

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 12:22 AM

What are you doing for work tensor? Feels like just yesterday you were signed on the board from high school.....


I work for a digital marketing company. I primarily write content for websites and audit existing websites. Anything from medium sized home service companies to a few relatively major brands.I'm in the process of starting a new division that focuses on small business owners for businesses doing less than $1MM in revenue. It has been a long time since high school. I've been out of college for almost four years now.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:10 AM

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lol don't pretend like you went to grad school

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:18 AM

Awesome. So how much do you owe, and who gets it?


i, along with every other advantaged american, owe our lives to those responsible for the success of america (hint: they're not pasty, pudgy libertarians). we'll start with native americans and descendants of slaves here in america and work our way around the world. glad we could clear this up

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:25 AM

Why don't you start your own company and pay all of your employees an equal wage with free healthcare and see how long it takes for you to shut down?


your post has absolutely nothing to do with the post that you quoted. try reading sometime or not it's whatever

also lol @ a post that amounts to "why don't you do something that the system is purposefully designed to reject and then see how well you do???? checkmate, libs"

Work smarter and harder, don't get in a wad because some people have what it takes to get to the top.


don't you sell cars for a living? should i take this to mean that you haven't worked particularly hard or "smart?" that "you don't have what it takes to get to the top?" because let's just say you're not on the fast track to 1%-land and i'm curious as to why you breathlessly defend the rich when tbqh they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:06 AM

Outside of me getting into a Capitalism vs Socialism debate which I could not care less about doing, you're equating manual labor with literal hard work.


you sure do have a pretty nuanced definition of "hard work" if "poo that privileged people go to college to avoid entirely" doesn't factor in at all

Just as the case with the people you referenced that are out of work with masters degrees, people are usually compensated based on how hard they are to replace or how much revenue they produce. Outside of that, compensation is typically commensurate with a person's inability to fill one or both of those niches.


whoa wait a minute i thought the secret to being employmed or just not being poor was "being smart" and "working hard". is it:

I know that's not popular, but I don't really know anyone who's smart and hard working and is out of work or near the poverty line.


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compensation is typically commensurate with a person's inability to fill one or both of those niches


is it important to be smart and work hard, or is it important to fill a particular niche? or is it important blow your way to the top, as hinted by tensor?


Hate to break the bad news to you, but it's not that big, bad mean old hedge fund manager's fault that those Master's Degrees your friends have may not be as valuable as they had hoped, and that the warehouse worker could be replaced with relative ease comparatively. If it makes you feel any better, that sinister HFM will also end up paying more in taxes in a couple years than everyone in that warehouse combined over their entire life.


you're right, it's not the fault of the parasitic elites; it's our flawed economic system that allows one person to manage capital and "earn" hundreds of times more than the median income for work that is certainly not hundreds of times more difficult, while the true producers of our society endure wage slavery. if any one group of people is to blame, it's the middle and upper-middle classes who perpetuate this broken system because they've bought into this "just be smart and work hard and one day you'll be super rich" bullshit

btw the people i referred to worked for an organization that helped people recently released from prison to reintegrate. among other things, they helped to build their resumes, taught them how to conduct themselves in an interview, and provided temporary rooms, contingent upon their continuous search for a job (while also providing in-house work opportunities like landscaping). it's tough to argue that their work "isn't valuable" (unless you don't understand things like recidivism rates); it's just not valuable to the people who control the majority of the wealth in america. it's silly to think that value is accurately represented by profitability, as that line of thought ignores social costs and benefits.

The point I was and continue to make is this: if we think our financial concerns as a country would be best solved by increased taxation of the rich, we're going to continue blaming a problem we don't really have.


as wealth inequality increases, what other option is there?*




*note: libertarian fan-fic isn't an option

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:30 AM

lol don't pretend like you went to grad school


Wat?

#143 twylyght

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:38 AM

i, along with every other advantaged american, owe our lives to those responsible for the success of america (hint: they're not pasty, pudgy libertarians). we'll start with native americans and descendants of slaves here in america and work our way around the world. glad we could clear this up


You assume quite a lot. You didn't answer the question. I figured that would be the case.

The reason you don't have a leg to stand on is because the perpetuated myth that 95% of all Americans being on a severely unlevel playing field is patently false. I've personally known too many people that have come to the states with NOTHING and have made themselves a nice living by their own worth.

You would rather have a hand out and demand that someone put something in it for having done nothing more than exist.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:24 AM

your post has absolutely nothing to do with the post that you quoted. try reading sometime or not it's whatever

also lol @ a post that amounts to "why don't you do something that the system is purposefully designed to reject and then see how well you do???? checkmate, libs"



don't you sell cars for a living? should i take this to mean that you haven't worked particularly hard or "smart?" that "you don't have what it takes to get to the top?" because let's just say you're not on the fast track to 1%-land and i'm curious as to why you breathlessly defend the rich when tbqh they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire


Used to if you actually did some of that reading you were speaking of you would know that... I neither care for the rich nor have a desire to whine and bitch about how unfair life is like you do. So they have more than you do? Get off your ass and get creative to earn it back you and your government entitlement programs are bankrupting our once great nation .

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:21 AM

I work for a digital marketing company. I primarily write content for websites and audit existing websites. Anything from medium sized home service companies to a few relatively major brands.I'm in the process of starting a new division that focuses on small business owners for businesses doing less than $1MM in revenue. It has been a long time since high school. I've been out of college for almost four years now.


Oh I knew you had been out of school for awhile. Just musing about the site and its members. Glad to hear you are doing well for yourself.




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I will enjoy Husker vs godSpin very very much. :lol:

#146 Carolina Husker

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:32 AM

you sure do have a pretty nuanced definition of "hard work" if "poo that privileged people go to college to avoid entirely" doesn't factor in at all

whoa wait a minute i thought the secret to being employmed or just not being poor was "being smart" and "working hard". is it:

or

is it important to be smart and work hard, or is it important to fill a particular niche? or is it important blow your way to the top, as hinted by tensor?


I hate that this needs to be preferenced, but hard and/or smart work are always going to be better options than your assertion that our entire economic and political system(s) needs to be blown-up because hundreds of years ago people were slaves. Granted I don't aspire to to be as dramatic as you, but that seems slightly unnecessary considering we have still people coming to this country today who with (gasp!) hard work and an emphasis on education that are improving their lot in life in one generation.


you're right, it's not the fault of the parasitic elites; it's our flawed economic system that allows one person to manage capital and "earn" hundreds of times more than the median income for work that is certainly not hundreds of times more difficult, while the true producers of our society endure wage slavery. if any one group of people is to blame, it's the middle and upper-middle classes who perpetuate this broken system because they've bought into this "just be smart and work hard and one day you'll be super rich" bullshit


I'll thank you to reference my previous post about not giving a poo about your pipe/wet dreams of a socialist society. I already went through this exercise when I got my liberal arts degree from a state univerisity.

btw the people i referred to worked for an organization that helped people recently released from prison to reintegrate. among other things, they helped to build their resumes, taught them how to conduct themselves in an interview, and provided temporary rooms, contingent upon their continuous search for a job (while also providing in-house work opportunities like landscaping). it's tough to argue that their work "isn't valuable" (unless you don't understand things like recidivism rates); it's just not valuable to the people who control the majority of the wealth in america. it's silly to think that value is accurately represented by profitability, as that line of thought ignores social costs and benefits.


That's great. I think that's a commendable service those people are providing, and I think it's commendable that those former inmates see the value of actually being members of a society where they earn what they have, not just hoping that the government hands them money siphoned off of the rich. Because if that's what you're hoping for, what's the point of trying to rehabilitate these people at all?

as wealth inequality increases, what other option is there?*

*note: libertarian fan-fic isn't an option


I'm not entirely against the idea that the wealth gap is widening too far for our own good in this country. I am, however, against the idea that it's so wide and unattainable that the only way it can be fxed is with government intervention. I also wildly reject the idea that we just had more revenue to give to the government to fund these programs that everything would be ok.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:20 PM

Hey, our system sucks


but its better than a lot of other systems.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 05:54 AM

This thread is exactly what you would expect.

Those who haven't achieved success in the professional lives are bitching about those that have.

Much easier to whine, bitch, complain, and blame someone else...than to have personal accountability, work hard in school, get an education, work hard every day, and make a financial success out you their lives.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:18 AM

Hey, our system sucks


but its better than a lot of other systems.


Agreed. Now let's stop exacerbating the issue by telling people it's so horribly stacked against them that it's not worth even trying.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:32 PM

I worked hard and i consider myself very successful.

I still think the wealth inequilaity gap is one of the major issues with the county and more specifically the economy.

So since how would you respond to me since im not jealous of your "success"


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