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#133 Mr. Scot

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:47 PM

Guard is never BPA in the 1st.


Not a fan of generalizing.

In the 94 draft, wide receivers Charles Johnson and Johnnie Morton were both taken in the first round. Larry Allen was taken in the second. Knowing what you know now, who would you have taken?

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:07 PM

I'll make another supposed generalization and say that attacking generalizing with hindsight is never going to win any minds.

Best Player Available is a misnomer. It would more accurately reflect the way teams actually approach the draft if meant Best Prospect Available, as it factors in all the variables when teams construct a big board. Guards are never BPA in the first, because of these additional variables.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:23 PM

I'll make another supposed generalization and say that attacking generalizing with hindsight is never going to win any minds.

Best Player Available is a misnomer. It would more accurately reflect the way teams actually approach the draft if meant Best Prospect Available, as it factors in all the variables when teams construct a big board. Guards are never BPA in the first, because of these additional variables.


Are you dead certain you can name 32 players better than, say, Chance Warmack?

Pretty much nobody goes pure BPA. For example, going purely on grades the Panthers might have Geno Smith rated higher than Chance Warmack, but given the current roster, it would make no sense to draft Smith over Warmack.

When the team creates its draft board, it will take need (and lack of need) into account, and will set their priorities accordingly. You just don't wanna be in a position where you're a slave to it because it limits your options.

Bottom Line: Draft boards are pretty much never built on player ratings alone. Ours is no exception.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:45 PM

my list to a good offense

1.qb(cam newton)
2.oline(star left tackle first priority)
3.star deep threat wr1+wr2(harrison/wayne)
4.slot wr(quick+good route runner+sure hands)/te(catch+block+tall mismatch in redzone)
5.rb(good vision+ game speed+ break tackles+catch out of backfield)

So what you're saying is to have a good offense, we need to put good players at every position. I feel this is a groundbreaking theory.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:49 PM

^^ yes just putting the importance of each position in order. that is all.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:36 AM

Are you dead certain you can name 32 players better than, say, Chance Warmack?

Pretty much nobody goes pure BPA. For example, going purely on grades the Panthers might have Geno Smith rated higher than Chance Warmack, but given the current roster, it would make no sense to draft Smith over Warmack.

When the team creates its draft board, it will take need (and lack of need) into account, and will set their priorities accordingly. You just don't wanna be in a position where you're a slave to it because it limits your options.

Bottom Line: Draft boards are pretty much never built on player ratings alone. Ours is no exception.


This is exactly the point I'm making. When a team constructs a board, it factors in more than overall player ranking-those additional factors-such as positional value, are the reason Guards are not BPA in the first.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:40 AM

If we get a G I would rather have Warford in the second.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:37 AM

This is exactly the point I'm making. When a team constructs a board, it factors in more than overall player ranking-those additional factors-such as positional value, are the reason Guards are not BPA in the first.


You don't think a GM who goes by the phrase "you win with big men" puts a high value on a guard?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

If good guards are so extremely easy to find why have we had poo guards for the past 5 years


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:02 AM

6`1 215 pound WR that has produced and can run the entire route tree. he is already rising and the last 3 videos on panthers.com involve him.yeah i know its because they had their pro day last week,and mike craft loves him.

the previous offseason was the 1st time he went through football work outs because he played bball the other 2 years and you can tell by the way he exploded this past season.


I would not be mad if he was the pick at 14. I love that dude