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#31 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:10 AM

Bottom Line

Sturdy guard with dominating strength at the point of attack and enough mobility to clear the way for Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram, 2012 top five pick Trent Richardson, and probable first round pick Eddie Lacy over the last three seasons. His toughness and durability are outstanding, and he grades out as one of the elite talents in the 2013 draft, and as a probable starter day one on Sundays -- and he'll stick around for a long time.

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I don't see anything that says freak, or special talent, or can't miss.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:10 AM

The main motivation for going guard in the 1st is that our interior OL is such poo. It got blown up on a routine basis and could be argued that it is a larger hole than OT. Amini is a D2 scrub who is still learning and the Hangartner/Byers experiment was ludicrous.

I was a fan of going guard in the first a month or two ago but it truly is a position that can be fixed a number of other ways.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:19 AM

The main motivation for going guard in the 1st is that our interior OL is such poo. It got blown up on a routine basis and could be argued that it is a larger hole than OT. Amini is a D2 scrub who is still learning and the Hangartner/Byers experiment was ludicrous.

I was a fan of going guard in the first a month or two ago but it truly is a position that can be fixed a number of other ways.


Amini may be from a D2 school, but he's far from a scrub and such a comment shows you either didn't watch him much, or didn't know what you were watching.

RG is an issue, but that's about all that needs to be fixed immediately for our line to improve greatly. I don't think we need to blow a first round pick on a position you could easily fill in the 4th.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:21 AM

#14 is just too high for an OG. Warmack looked like the type of prospect that might warrant taking an OG that high, but he pretty much blew it at the Combine.

If one of the top 3 OTs is there at #14, that'd be tough to pass up. But OG at #14? Ugh.

OT, DT, WR, DB. I'd be fine with any of those positions.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:23 AM

Bottom Line

Sturdy guard with dominating strength at the point of attack and enough mobility to clear the way for Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram, 2012 top five pick Trent Richardson, and probable first round pick Eddie Lacy over the last three seasons. His toughness and durability are outstanding, and he grades out as one of the elite talents in the 2013 draft, and as a probable starter day one on Sundays -- and he'll stick around for a long time.

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http://www.nfl.com/d...mack?id=2539194

I don't see anything that says freak, or special talent, or can't miss.



"elite talent" "special talent..." Its the same.

He basically help lead the way for possibly three straight 1st round picks(neither of the first two lived up to their bills of yet). Every single remark that is stated in that review is exceptional and exactly what you look for in a pick in the draft. Yeah Guards are cheap, but thats because they rarely come into the league with this type of ability.

San Fran took Iupati in the first a few years ago and now he is one of the best players in all of the NFL.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:27 AM

It wasn't just Warmack. That entire Alabama OL is just dirty.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:27 AM

"elite talent" "special talent..." Its the same.

He basically help lead the way for possibly three straight 1st round picks(neither of the first two lived up to their bills of yet). Every single remark that is stated in that review is exceptional and exactly what you look for in a pick in the draft. Yeah Guards are cheap, but thats because they rarely come into the league with this type of ability.

San Fran took Iupati in the first a few years ago and now he is one of the best players in all of the NFL.


Iupati is not one of the best players in the NFL, he's not even the best G in the NFC. I can think of 3 in the NFC South alone I'd rather have.

These guys are quick with the "can't miss" tag, notice they didn't use it here, there's a reason. There was just as much love last year for the kid that went to the Steelers and shredded his knee, he lasted into the 20's for a reason,

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:31 AM

Iupati is not one of the best players in the NFL, he's not even the best G in the NFC. I can think of 3 in the NFC South alone I'd rather have.

These guys are quick with the "can't miss" tag, notice they didn't use it here, there's a reason. There was just as much love last year for the kid that went to the Steelers and shredded his knee, he lasted into the 20's for a reason,


DeCastro was not rated nearly as highly as Warmack. There is actually discussion out there of Warmack being the best player in this draft. Iupati was an All-Pro last year. You are crazy if you actually think there was even one better Guard in the NFC South.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:31 AM

Yep, the top OG ends up "sliding" every year. But, he's not really sliding, he's just going where he was always going to go. Analysts hear scouts raving about the guy and think that means he's going to go in the top 15. No. They're raving about the guy, but he's still an OG. The best OG in the draft usually goes in the late 1st or early 2cd.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:33 AM

DeCastro was not rated nearly as highly as Warmack. There is actually discussion out there of Warmack being the best player in this draft. Iupati was an All-Pro last year. You are crazy if you actually think there was even one better Guard in the NFC South.


OG simply isn't a premium position though. Even if he is the best prospect in the draft - which I don't think he is - it doesn't mean that he's going to go in the top half of the 1st round.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:46 AM

OG simply isn't a premium position though. Even if he is the best prospect in the draft - which I don't think he is - it doesn't mean that he's going to go in the top half of the 1st round.


Usually more skill positions go in the early rounds. But this class is severely lacking in top end talent at the skill position. Instead its just loaded with mid level prospects that will be available in the later rounds.

If Floyd, Milliner, Joeckel, Fisher, Lotulelei, Ansah, L Johnson, Jordan, or Mingo are gone. I'd rather see us take the impact that Warmack can make for years with Cam than taking a flier on a player like Patterson or Richardson.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:52 AM

Usually more skill positions go in the early rounds. But this class is severely lacking in top end talent at the skill position. Instead its just loaded with mid level prospects that will be available in the later rounds.

If Floyd, Milliner, Joeckel, Fisher, Lotulelei, Ansah, L Johnson, Jordan, or Mingo are gone. I'd rather see us take the impact that Warmack can make for years with Cam than taking a flier on a player like Patterson or Richardson.


Good point.

To hell with Mingo though. That dude just screams BUST. I've never seen such pedestrian stats out of a guy so highly regarded. Vernon Gholston all over again.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:54 AM

DeCastro is an extremely polished guard out of Stanford who started for three consecutive years. While he is considered an early entry junior, he spent four years at Stanford and has already graduated. He is a disciplined and NFL-ready player who likely will warrant a starting spot immediately through his play. He could be one of the highest draft picks at the guard position in recent years, and he could easily go in the top 10.

http://www.nfl.com/d...stro?id=2533043

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:57 AM

DeCastro is an extremely polished guard out of Stanford who started for three consecutive years. While he is considered an early entry junior, he spent four years at Stanford and has already graduated. He is a disciplined and NFL-ready player who likely will warrant a starting spot immediately through his play. He could be one of the highest draft picks at the guard position in recent years, and he could easily go in the top 10.

http://www.nfl.com/d...stro?id=2533043



Compare that write up with what was said about Warmack in your previous post.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:02 AM

I have, more than once.

I still don't think Warmack holds a top 15 grade simply by virtue of his position, same with RB's right now in the league.

I'm not saying Warmack isn't good or deserving of the hype, but his impact in the overall scheme of things will be minimized by his position. This, mind you, is coming from someone who believes strong line play is paramount to success.


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