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Harvin is not an elite receiver. He's no deep threat.

My bro in law is a Vikings fan and I watched almost all of his games. He had a spectacular season early on but how? Dump offs and screens. Nothing special.

If we're looking for another slot player, I'd mind as well invest in Tavon at 14. He can actually stretch the field.

Harvin is an elite football player. He could be a nice fit in a creative Cam offense....

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Harvin is an elite football player. He could be a nice fit in a creative Cam offense....

No he's not. He's a dynamic player. Sure no.2 receiver. Dont get carry away calling him elite. Hes no Desean Jackson or even Jeremy Maclin. He can't go and be that no.1 guy that runs all the route outside.

He's your kind of guy that you find ways to hide him and give him the ball. Off dump offs and screens. Almost every single ball he caught early on in the season when people were calling him for MVP was all off these short pass plays.

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No he's not. He's a dynamic player. Sure no.2 receiver. Dont get carry away calling him elite. Hes no Desean Jackson or even Jeremy Maclin. He can't go and be that no.1 guy that runs all the route outside.

He's your kind of guy that you find ways to hide him and give him the ball. Off dump offs and screens. Almost every single ball he caught early on in the season when people were calling him for MVP was all off these short pass plays.

Sure he is...which is why in year 3 he was in MVP talk.

Who cares if he he caught short passes? Why don't you go back and watch agent 89 in 2005....there is a reason he had almost 800 yards in YAC.

Randy Moss was elite and pretty much did one thing. Elite doesn't mean you have to take the top off a D. Harvin is an elite football player....he cant be judged just by standard WR molds. ST ability and his dual threat ability as a runner and receiver. He is limited in the Vikings offense.

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Sure he is...which is why in year 3 he was in MVP talk.

Who cares if he he caught short passes? Why don't you go back and watch agent 89 in 2005....there is a reason he had almost 800 yards in YAC.

Randy Moss was elite and pretty much did one thing. Elite doesn't mean you have to take the top off a D. Harvin is an elite football player....he cant be judged just by standard WR molds. ST ability and his dual threat ability as a runner and receiver. He is limited in the Vikings offense.

That makes him a dynamic player, not elite. He can be your Wes Welker in a Tom Brady offense, but he will never be your kind of guy that run all the tree routes. He cant stand on the outside and beat the opponents best cb week in and week out. He was not limited in Minnesota's offense. He was limiting Minnesota to only certain things they could do with him. And they did him a huge favor by hiding him, dumping off balls to him and letting his athletic ability take over games. Even though, Harvin has some great speed you rarely see the guy stretch the field. Bc he cant. The only way Harvin can take over a game is by hiding him. When you're "elite", you dont need your OC trying to hide you on the field.

Harvin being mentioned as a MVP candidate early on in the season, made me wanna PUKE. If anyone who truly watched Minnesota's games, they wouldve knew he wasnt playing like a MVP. Looking at "stats" (receptions), it did make sense with, but anyone wouldve knew that he didnt even have to try catching those balls. It all came off "dump offs" and "screens". Even AE wouldnt sweat trying to catch those balls all day.

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That makes him a dynamic player, not elite. He can be your Wes Welker in a Tom Brady offense, but he will never be your kind of guy that run all the tree routes. He cant stand on the outside and beat the opponents best cb week in and week out. He was not limited in Minnesota's offense. He was limiting Minnesota to only certain things they could do with him. And they did him a huge favor by hiding him, dumping off balls to him and letting his athletic ability take over games. Even though, Harvin has some great speed you rarely see the guy stretch the field. Bc he cant. The only way Harvin can take over a game is by hiding him. When you're "elite", you dont need your OC trying to hide you on the field.

Harvin being mentioned as a MVP candidate early on in the season, made me wanna PUKE. If anyone who truly watched Minnesota's games, they wouldve knew he wasnt playing like a MVP. Looking at "stats" (receptions), it did make sense with, but anyone wouldve knew that he didnt even have to try catching those balls. It all came off "dump offs" and "screens". Even AE wouldnt sweat trying to catch those balls all day.

Welker is elite.

if you don't do X....it doesn't mean you aren't elite if you play WR.

Harvin is limited in Minn....he can do much more. They are an Adrian Peterson offense.

And like I said, yeah....Smitty can go deep....but he has the NFL record for most YAC in a season bc he was catching screens and dump offs left and right in 2005. You taking those away from him?

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Welker is elite.

if you don't do X....it doesn't mean you aren't elite if you play WR.

Harvin is limited in Minn....he can do much more. They are an Adrian Peterson offense.

And like I said, yeah....Smitty can go deep....but he has the NFL record for most YAC in a season bc he was catching screens and dump offs left and right in 2005. You taking those away from him?

Smitty had a few screens and dump offs but not as many as Harvin in 2012. Thats Harvin's game (dump offs and screens). Smitty was always a deep threat who isnt afraid running whatever route was called for him to run. In 2005, Dan Henning just tried being creative and giving 89 the ball more in different ways. We never had to hide 89 away from the opponents' best cb.

Harvin is a polished out Dexter McCluster. Thats my comparison.

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Harvin is not an elite receiver. He's no deep threat.

My bro in law is a Vikings fan and I watched almost all of his games. He had a spectacular season early on but how? Dump offs and screens. Nothing special.

If we're looking for another slot player, I'd mind as well invest in Tavon at 14. He can actually stretch the field.

My Vikings fan wife > Your bro in law. :rock:

Percy is the 9th Ranked WR graded 85 on Scouts, Inc. (ESPN) which is tied with Mike Wallace. He also ran a 4.3 40.

The misconception is that Percy cannot play outside.

He is/was the #1 receiver in Minnesota and does play the Z/X as well as RB both in traditional and read option plays. His greatest asset is his speed, elusiveness and value in special teams. He would be equivalent to a five tool player in the MLB.

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My Vikings fan wife > Your bro in law. :rock:

Percy is the 9th Ranked WR graded 85 on Scouts, Inc. (ESPN) which is tied with Mike Wallace. He also ran a 4.3 40.

The misconception is that Percy cannot play outside.

He is/was the #1 receiver in Minnesota and does play the Z/X as well as RB both in traditional and read option plays. His greatest asset is his speed, elusiveness and value in special teams. He would be equivalent to a five tool player in the MLB.

If your wife was really a bigger Minny fan than my bro-n- law you wouldnt have to be looking for stats from ESPN. You would know that Percy cant play on the outside. You tell me why Bill Musgrave had to "hide" Harvin in every game. Like I said, he had tremendous speed but hes not a deep threat. Hes a great returner and dynamic slot receiver. If you cant see that than you're just a big "homer".

Minnesota's best receiver the past 4 years was former Vikings, Sidney Rice.

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If your wife was really a bigger Minny fan than my bro-n- law you wouldnt have to be looking for stats from ESPN. You would know that Percy cant play on the outside. You tell me why Bill Musgrave had to "hide" Harvin in every game. Like I said, he had tremendous speed but hes not a deep threat. Hes a great returner and dynamic slot receiver.

I never pulled out a single stat. Looking at a player's ranking is different and necessary to inform you that he is indeed elite.

He can't play outside? Joe Webb of all people throwing hiim the ball.

Just like Cam Newton, Minnesota tailors their offense to suit Percy's strengths, which happens to be WR, RB and ST.

And believe me, my wife is a bigger fan, bigger than I want her to be. Here's us at the game where Percy opened the season with a Kickoff return for a touchdown against the Chargers.

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I never pulled out a single stat. Looking at a player's ranking is different and necessary to inform you that he is indeed elite.

He can't play outside? Joe Webb of all people throwing hiim the ball.

Just like Cam Newton, Minnesota tailors their offense to suit Percy's strengths, which happens to be WR, RB and ST.

And believe me, my wife is a bigger fan, bigger than I want her to be. Here's us at the game where Percy opened the season with a Kickoff return for a touchdown against the Chargers.

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Trust me, my bro-n-law is from St. Paul MN.

If you've been to Minnesota, you would know that Minnesota is infested with "Hmong" people. They love their Vikings and HATE those Cheeseheads.

I dont ever look at rankings to tell me whos good or not. I look at what they do on game day. Percy to me is nothing more than a polished out Dexter McCluster.

Dont blame Webb for Harvin not being able to play outside. Thats as silly as it get. Harvin had Favre and was playing with Rice in his rookie year. And had Ponder the last two seasons.

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Trust me, my bro-n-law is from St. Paul MN.

If you've been to Minnesota, you would know that Minnesota is infested with "Hmong" people. They love their Vikings and HATE those Cheeseheads.

I dont ever look at rankings to tell me whos good or not. I look at what they do on game day. Percy to me is nothing more than a polished out Dexter McCluster.

Dont blame Webb for Harvin not being able to play outside. Thats as silly as it get. Harvin had Favre and was playing with Rice in his rookie year. And had Ponder the last two seasons.

I do know, since my wife is half vietnamese and ..... from Minnesota.

The video link I provided was a play in which Percy was lined up outside, contradicting your statement that he doesn't play outside.

I also look at the games not just stats because stats alone don't tell the whole story on Percy. All you have to do is see how much faster and how he can affect games with his play (as previously stated) at WR, RB and ST. Find me 3 if not atleast 1 other player in the NFL that are effective in all three? Players like Percy are one in a million.

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We can agree to disagree. I am personally high on Percy Harvin.

HOWEVER, in the end it's all about the $$$$ which is why I don't ever seeing him in Carolina. He will more than likely cost more than we would ever spend on a WR when his contract is up.

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