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#11 CRA

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:20 PM

His performance against the Saints is still indicitive of what he can do. I don't think he's any less effective than before, I think the change in the OL and Chud going full retard with the scheme is what hurt him and Stewart alike.

Harrison was good against the run, but not as good as he used to be. He had dropped off significantly as a pass rusher. However, they created space and got younger at a position vital for their defensive success whereas cutting DeAngelo would have only hurt us.

Comparing the two is stupid - which was really my point


Again, Williams vs the worst D in the history of the sport....isn't a good benchmark to reference.

He certainly didn't look very good overall this year....last game greaty causing people to have a selective memory. 30 yr old runners are suppose to decline from what they were.

Cutting a 30 yr old RB....on a team with Cam, Stewart, Tolbert where you can turn around and invest the cap room created in one of our MANY HOLES at starting positions certainly would more likely help than hurt the overall team.

Still think he gets cut eventually if he doesn't take a paycut. We might see that closer to the season and go after FAs that occur in the cuts closer to the start of the year. Will be shocked if it doesn't happen.

Comparing the 2 isn't stupid....they are both examples of the difference in how he 2 teams build there teams. Lots of others guys can be used to point that out....We let our superstars fall apart here and Pitt parts with them.


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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:34 PM

Cuz we follow the Panthers Model

Steelers model = Multiple SB's

Panthers model = ....

Advantage Steelers

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:41 PM

The difference is that Harrison can be cut right now and save his team money, if Dwill is cut right now it either

A. Cost the team 1.4 million this year or
B. doesn't save the team anything till June 1st.



Doesn't help the Panther's a damn bit in free agency, so it's kinda stupid to even compare the two because one helps a team out now and the other doesn't.


Harrison was cut because he couldn't reach an agreement on a contract restructure that reduced his cap over the next few years. Cutting Harrison saved the Steelers 5.105 million on the cap. So the steelers didn't just cut him to cut him, they tried to rework his deal to have him stay with the team and it didn't happen.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:45 PM

Again, Williams vs the worst D in the history of the sport....isn't a good benchmark to reference.

He certainly didn't look very good overall this year....last game greaty causing people to have a selective memory. 30 yr old runners are suppose to decline from what they were.

I don't base anything off of one game, but you can take some things away from it that are independent of their stature as a bad D. His burst was there, he was decisive again, he showed he still have great vision and the ability to cutback and find running lanes.

Cutting a 30 yr old RB....on a team with Cam, Stewart, Tolbert where you can turn around and invest the cap room created in one of our MANY HOLES at starting positions certainly would more likely help than hurt the overall team.

We keep hearing that cutting him would NOT create any space, thus the reason he's still here.


Still think he gets cut eventually if he doesn't take a paycut. We might see that closer to the season and go after FAs that occur in the cuts closer to the start of the year. Will be shocked if it doesn't happen.

Comparing the 2 isn't stupid....they are both examples of the difference in how he 2 teams build there teams. Lots of others guys can be used to point that out....We let our superstars fall apart here and Pitt parts with them.


I'm not convinced DeAngelo has fallen apart, next year will tell the tale.

Furthermore, Harrison is 34 at a brutal position with a guy known for hard hits, DeAngelo is 29 has always split carries and is more of an outside runner than an inside power runner.

No, that's not a bad comparison at all.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:49 PM

The difference is that Harrison can be cut right now and save his team money, if Dwill is cut right now it either

A. Cost the team 1.4 million this year or
B. doesn't save the team anything till June 1st.



Doesn't help the Panther's a damn bit in free agency, so it's kinda stupid to even compare the two because one helps a team out now and the other doesn't.


Harrison was cut because he couldn't reach an agreement on a contract restructure that reduced his cap over the next few years. Cutting Harrison saved the Steelers 5.105 million on the cap. So the steelers didn't just cut him to cut him, they tried to rework his deal to have him stay with the team and it didn't happen.


Williams creates comparable room if a June 1 cut. The point is to be a better team....the next 3 days isn't the only time to add FAs. There will be waves of guys cut when a June 1 cut will have kicked in as guys cut vets right before the season starts.

Steelers have a LONG history of saying bye bye to their stars. We don't have a short one matching that mindset. Don't get too caught up in the two players talked about that you ignore the model the Steelers actually practice vs us

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:01 PM

I'm not convinced DeAngelo has fallen apart, next year will tell the tale.

Furthermore, Harrison is 34 at a brutal position with a guy known for hard hits, DeAngelo is 29 has always split carries and is more of an outside runner than an inside power runner.

No, that's not a bad comparison at all.

Didn't say he had fallen apart....

He is declining and a luxury....he is the type guy the Steelers wouldn't be investing such a large percentage of their cap space towards. Heck, look at Mike Wallace...they won't overinvest a WR.

Williams will be a 30 yr old RB this year...one who hasn't logged 1000 yards for 3 yrs. One who barely averaged over 3 yards a carry 15 games into last season.....

Doesn't matter the type runner he is....bad option at his current cost. Panthers will address that before the season starts....most likely a June 1 cut if he doesn't take a paycut and they will look at the FA pool that is generated as teams take a look at their young guns

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:13 PM

What kind of cap hit are they taking for cutting Harrison?

Who, by the way, hasn't been very effective the last couple of seasons.

Funny that part was left out.

that doesn't support their opinion.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:16 PM

Again, Williams vs the worst D in the history of the sport....isn't a good benchmark to reference.

He certainly didn't look very good overall this year....last game greaty causing people to have a selective memory. 30 yr old runners are suppose to decline from what they were.

Cutting a 30 yr old RB....on a team with Cam, Stewart, Tolbert where you can turn around and invest the cap room created in one of our MANY HOLES at starting positions certainly would more likely help than hurt the overall team.

Still think he gets cut eventually if he doesn't take a paycut. We might see that closer to the season and go after FAs that occur in the cuts closer to the start of the year. Will be shocked if it doesn't happen.

Comparing the 2 isn't stupid....they are both examples of the difference in how he 2 teams build there teams. Lots of others guys can be used to point that out....We let our superstars fall apart here and Pitt parts with them.

trying to make an argument on any rb repressing when the team had the oline problems we did last season...really gives you nothing to stand on.

Typical CRA argument.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:23 PM

trying to make an argument on any rb repressing when the team had the oline problems we did last season...really gives you nothing to stand on.

Typical CRA argument.

Yeah, the fact he is now 30.....hasnt logged 1000 yards in YEARS is all irrelevant. Nothing factual at suggesting having him being one of the highest paid runners in the NFL on a team loaded with runners is a bad investment.

Lets also ignore he wasn't demoted 2 seasons in a row....one in reps and one all the way around. I mean, who cares if his style doesn't fit what our offense prefers...

Yeah, OL sucked....yeah, Chud sucked....Williams isn't that 2008 guy anymore. Doesn't mean he sucks but the 2008 guy is what we are paying for. The skills nor offense exist for that guy.

I am a Panther fan more than a Williams fan. How nice, cool, and great he has been here should get thrown out in these talks

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:26 PM

See James Harrison...

Pitt parts with there old superstars...on their own accord. Makes a difference. Harrison being cut creates comparable room as cutting DeAngelo with the same type dead money.

We selectively follow the Steeler model

I think that we'd take a bigger hit cutting D Will now...


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