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#16 DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA)

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:01 PM

I'm not convinced DeAngelo has fallen apart, next year will tell the tale.

Furthermore, Harrison is 34 at a brutal position with a guy known for hard hits, DeAngelo is 29 has always split carries and is more of an outside runner than an inside power runner.

No, that's not a bad comparison at all.

Didn't say he had fallen apart....

He is declining and a luxury....he is the type guy the Steelers wouldn't be investing such a large percentage of their cap space towards. Heck, look at Mike Wallace...they won't overinvest a WR.

Williams will be a 30 yr old RB this year...one who hasn't logged 1000 yards for 3 yrs. One who barely averaged over 3 yards a carry 15 games into last season.....

Doesn't matter the type runner he is....bad option at his current cost. Panthers will address that before the season starts....most likely a June 1 cut if he doesn't take a paycut and they will look at the FA pool that is generated as teams take a look at their young guns

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:13 PM

What kind of cap hit are they taking for cutting Harrison?

Who, by the way, hasn't been very effective the last couple of seasons.

Funny that part was left out.

that doesn't support their opinion.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:16 PM

Again, Williams vs the worst D in the history of the sport....isn't a good benchmark to reference.

He certainly didn't look very good overall this year....last game greaty causing people to have a selective memory. 30 yr old runners are suppose to decline from what they were.

Cutting a 30 yr old RB....on a team with Cam, Stewart, Tolbert where you can turn around and invest the cap room created in one of our MANY HOLES at starting positions certainly would more likely help than hurt the overall team.

Still think he gets cut eventually if he doesn't take a paycut. We might see that closer to the season and go after FAs that occur in the cuts closer to the start of the year. Will be shocked if it doesn't happen.

Comparing the 2 isn't stupid....they are both examples of the difference in how he 2 teams build there teams. Lots of others guys can be used to point that out....We let our superstars fall apart here and Pitt parts with them.

trying to make an argument on any rb repressing when the team had the oline problems we did last season...really gives you nothing to stand on.

Typical CRA argument.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:23 PM

trying to make an argument on any rb repressing when the team had the oline problems we did last season...really gives you nothing to stand on.

Typical CRA argument.

Yeah, the fact he is now 30.....hasnt logged 1000 yards in YEARS is all irrelevant. Nothing factual at suggesting having him being one of the highest paid runners in the NFL on a team loaded with runners is a bad investment.

Lets also ignore he wasn't demoted 2 seasons in a row....one in reps and one all the way around. I mean, who cares if his style doesn't fit what our offense prefers...

Yeah, OL sucked....yeah, Chud sucked....Williams isn't that 2008 guy anymore. Doesn't mean he sucks but the 2008 guy is what we are paying for. The skills nor offense exist for that guy.

I am a Panther fan more than a Williams fan. How nice, cool, and great he has been here should get thrown out in these talks

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:26 PM

See James Harrison...

Pitt parts with there old superstars...on their own accord. Makes a difference. Harrison being cut creates comparable room as cutting DeAngelo with the same type dead money.

We selectively follow the Steeler model

I think that we'd take a bigger hit cutting D Will now...

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:29 PM

What kind of cap hit are they taking for cutting Harrison?

Who, by the way, hasn't been very effective the last couple of seasons.

Funny that part was left out.


The Steelers coaches still wanted him bad and don't believe his effectiveness will be an issue this coming season. He was injured last season, but still led his team in sacks (6). If you think about it, he came back too early (the first five games), but once he returned for the last seven, he registered five more sacks, ending the season with two forced fumbles and 70 tackles.

Having nine sacks in 2011 is being ineffective? Hmmmm


Even in 2012, he wasn't a slouch considering his injury.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:31 PM

I honestly don't think it would be a terrible idea to have a policy of not resigning any RB's. Make sure you can scout them, bring them in for 4 years, let them go. If needed bolster with a low level FA from time to time. Keep that money for your OL as they are the ones who actually dictate the running game.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:33 PM

I think that we'd take a bigger hit cutting D Will now...


As a June 1 he creates 3.1 million in room we could use in 2013. He creates more room in a bad 2014 scenario as well.

I'd be happy to keep him. He just needs to take a paycut

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:35 PM

Honestly, we don't follow ANY winning franchise's model...look at the Pats, Packers, Steelers, they don't hold on to dead weight.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:37 PM

Honestly, we don't follow ANY winning franchise's model...look at the Pats, Packers, Steelers, they don't hold on to dead weight.


Also, look at how much those are spending on runners (and that is without a bonus runner as QB).

They spend chump change there. Rest of the roster is more important

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:37 PM

I agree that he needs to take a paycut but I believe that right now, he's our best option a RB. Yes Stew is a beast but an injury prone beast. A paycut is in demand, if not...then we should cut him, if the numbers are favorable to us.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:43 PM

I agree that he needs to take a paycut but I believe that right now, he's our best option at). Yes Stew is a beast but an injury prone beast. A paycut is in demand, if not...then we should cut him, if the numbers are favorable to us.


Totally agree

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:45 PM

Yeah, the fact he is now 30.....hasnt logged 1000 yards in YEARS is all irrelevant. Nothing factual at suggesting having him being one of the highest paid runners in the NFL on a team loaded with runners is a bad investment.


He's 29 NOW.

He hasn't hit the 1k benchmark since we got a franchise RB who can also run the ball. Trying to pin that on just Williams is moronic, at best.

The year before the running game was the sole focus of defenses. They knew Clausen wasn't going to beat them. However, after those "down" seasons he still has a career YPC of 4.9

By the same line of "reasoning" we should cut Stewart since he's only eclipsed 1k yards once in four years, has a lower YPC AND more fumbles despite less carries. On paper the only advantage he provides is youth, though you could argue that on running style.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

Also, look at how much those are spending on runners (and that is without a bonus runner as QB).

They spend chump change there. Rest of the roster is more important

Exactly. A good o-line would make ANY RB look like a star, RB's are a dime a dozen. Offensive line should be our main focus in FA.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

He's 29 NOW.

He hasn't hit the 1k benchmark since we got a franchise RB who can also run the ball. Trying to pin that on just Williams is moronic, at best.

The year before the running game was the sole focus of defenses. They knew Clausen wasn't going to beat them. However, after those "down" seasons he still has a career YPC of 4.9

By the same line of "reasoning" we should cut Stewart since he's only eclipsed 1k yards once in four years, has a lower YPC AND more fumbles despite less carries. On paper the only advantage he provides is youth, though you could argue that on running style.


Who cares....we are talking about the 2013 season and football. He turns 30 in a month. That makes him a 30 yr old RB going forward.

Not pinning Cam on him....that is just one is the reasons he is even more luxury than ever before. Situation matters....and dictates how valuable he is to us. Our situation dictates he is a drastically overpaid roleplayer....


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