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#31 jtnc

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:54 PM

Guys, we have Cam, Tolbert, Stewart, and Dwill. We have too many runners, our run game would not hurt if we cut Dwill and gave Tolbert a bigger payload.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:57 PM

He's 29 NOW.

He hasn't hit the 1k benchmark since we got a franchise RB who can also run the ball. Trying to pin that on just Williams is moronic, at best.

The year before the running game was the sole focus of defenses. They knew Clausen wasn't going to beat them. However, after those "down" seasons he still has a career YPC of 4.9

By the same line of "reasoning" we should cut Stewart since he's only eclipsed 1k yards once in four years, has a lower YPC AND more fumbles despite less carries. On paper the only advantage he provides is youth, though you could argue that on running style.


Stew also has more receiving yards. Moreover he has been rated by PFF as one of the most elusive backs in the NFL, if not the best. OF course he was hurt last year, and I don't know how this metric was effected, but theoretically he has the potential to be the best in regards to productivity,

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

Who cares....we are talking about the 2013 season and football. He turns 30 in a month. That makes him a 30 yr old RB going forward.

Not pinning Cam on him....that is just one is the reasons he is even more luxury than ever before. Situation matters....and dictates how valuable he is to us. Our situation dictates he is a drastically overpaid roleplayer....


You're the one who said "he's 30 now." You were wrong, I pointed it out.

I'm not arguing that he's overpaid and I wouldn't have been too upset with letting him go, but you formulated a bad argument with a bad contract to Harrison.

Also, citing the Steelers as your example the year after they feel to make the playoffs also has a ring of irony to it.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:00 PM

Guys, we have Cam, Tolbert, Stewart, and Dwill. We have too many runners, our run game would not hurt if we cut Dwill and gave Tolbert a bigger payload.


Not to mention that we have Armond Smith to help out.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:02 PM

Stew also has more receiving yards. Moreover he has been rated by PFF as one of the most elusive backs in the NFL, if not the best. OF course he was hurt last year, and I don't know how this metric was effected, but theoretically he has the potential to be the best in regards to productivity,


Last season he was -30 yards to Williams in receiving yards.

My point is really that he was a victim of the OL and the scheme, like much of the offense was.

Yes, he;s overpaid. Yes, he's almost 30. But that doesn't mean he's not and can not be a very effect RB. As a matter of fact I think both he and Stewart have "bounce back" years with Shula getting back to running the ball more.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:05 PM

Yeah, but some of you are acting like our running game will fall apart without Williams. I just don't believe it.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:07 PM

Yeah, but some of you are acting like our running game will fall apart without Williams. I just don't believe it.


I don't believe that either, especially with Tolbert in the mix.

DeAngelo is expendable, but it has far more to do with the emergence of Cam and his contract than it does his performance or ability.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:07 PM

wish they would draft like steelers draft wr and get star wr in 3-6 rounds.

naw this team wont be any better or worse without dwill. rb are not worth that much anymore.

when is the last time an elite rb won the superbowl? ill wait

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:14 PM

Also, some may disagree, but the Steelers are taking a much bigger risk by cutting Harrison than we would be by cutting Williams. Just saying.

In any event, the Steelers are going to have a problem if they don't begin replacing all the relatively old and/or broken down vets they have. The Panthers seem to be in a better overall place in regards to the future of the franchise in my opinion.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:19 PM

i dont think the steelers have much to worry about...lol they never fire coaches...they are so chill....steelers know how to draft...i wouldnt be worrying about one of the most dominant franchises in the history of football. i would worry about the panthers...lol

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:20 PM

wish they would draft like steelers draft wr and get star wr in 3-6 rounds.

naw this team wont be any better or worse without dwill. rb are not worth that much anymore.

when is the last time an elite rb won the superbowl? ill wait


about a month ago?

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:22 PM

about a month ago?

He wasn't even a factor in the postseason.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:23 PM

i dont think the steelers have much to worry about...lol they never fire coaches...they are so chill....steelers know how to draft...i wouldnt be worrying about one of the most dominant franchises in the history of football. i would worry about the panthers...lol


Steelers have plenty to worry about. Their OL is still a huge question mark, their D is old and is now without one of their better players, they want to get back to running but have who at RB? Their second best playmaker on O is gone, Polamalu is old and oft injured, ect...

They missed the playoffs last year...

Yeah, they're fine.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:23 PM

He wasn't even a factor in the postseason.


You have to get to the postseason first. Without him, they don't do it.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:24 PM

He wasn't even a factor in the postseason.


That's debatable. Him just being in the game makes you change your defense. Stats only tell a part of the story.


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