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#136 BigSyke

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 03:47 PM

West Virginia had one of the best offenses in the nation with Tavon doing what he was doing. They wanted Tavon to get the ball as much as possible, not send him deep. Since you just said that he catches well and is fast, what makes you think that he can't run deep? What skill do you think he is missing?


I'm not sure if he can get off press coverage. Like if he has to face a shutdown corner like Patton did in Jonathan Banks while in college.

And like I said I could name many guys who ran fast who turned out to be bust......check Oakland. Not saying that Tavon will be a bust, but just because you run fast does not mean you are automatically a deep threat in the NFL. Smith had the vertical leap and the yard average per catch to back up the thought that he MIGHT be a deep threat in the NFL. Also he was very tough for a lil guy, not to mention blazing fast.

I also don't think he can constantly take hits over the middle from NFL safeties, Percy barely does it and he is bigger than Austin.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:16 AM

I'm not sure if he can get off press coverage. Like if he has to face a shutdown corner like Patton did in Jonathan Banks while in college.

And like I said I could name many guys who ran fast who turned out to be bust......check Oakland. Not saying that Tavon will be a bust, but just because you run fast does not mean you are automatically a deep threat in the NFL. Smith had the vertical leap and the yard average per catch to back up the thought that he MIGHT be a deep threat in the NFL. Also he was very tough for a lil guy, not mention blazing fast.

I also don't think he can constantly take hits over the middle from NFL safeties, Percy barely does it and he is bigger than Austin.

Percy had injury concerns throughout college, though. He's had migraine issues and missed games in every year of college ball. He actually never played Alabama in his three years at Florida, missing both games with an injury. Tavon has never missed a practice at WVU. He's got the tough and fast.

He could struggle against press coverage. He did put up 225 14 times at the combine, so he's strong enough to push someone away, but he's still potentially giving up 20 pounds to a corner. Here's my question: who the hell presses a guy with 4.3 speed? If he gets off the line, it's over, and that's something Proehl is going to be working on from day 1 if the plan is to play him outside.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:19 AM

^ You can press. Esp with a S over the top.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:39 AM

Percy had injury concerns throughout college, though. He's had migraine issues and missed games in every year of college ball. He actually never played Alabama in his three years at Florida, missing both games with an injury. Tavon has never missed a practice at WVU. He's got the tough and fast.

He could struggle against press coverage. He did put up 225 14 times at the combine, so he's strong enough to push someone away, but he's still potentially giving up 20 pounds to a corner. Here's my question: who the hell presses a guy with 4.3 speed? If he gets off the line, it's over, and that's something Proehl is going to be working on from day 1 if the plan is to play him outside.



LOL. No one passes by a guy with 4.3 that is 6'3-6'6.....yeah I would understand you guys then. I would look crazy LOL...

Remember Percy went into the late 20's, D-Jack went into the 2nd round and Smitty went into the 3rd round. Look at Mike Wallace and guys like TY Hilton, they all went in lower rounds. I just feel like a lot of you guys are over hyping Tavon's round selection.

But Tavon is not that big man. How much does he weigh? And Percy benched 225 19 times if I recall right.

Also NFL safeties hit way harder man. I still question Tavon's ability to hold up in this league. Just because you stayed healthy in college does not mean you will stay healthy in the NFL.....I mean there are a lot of examples.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 11:49 AM

Percy had injury concerns throughout college, though. He's had migraine issues and missed games in every year of college ball. He actually never played Alabama in his three years at Florida, missing both games with an injury. Tavon has never missed a practice at WVU. He's got the tough and fast.

He could struggle against press coverage. He did put up 225 14 times at the combine, so he's strong enough to push someone away, but he's still potentially giving up 20 pounds to a corner. Here's my question: who the hell presses a guy with 4.3 speed? If he gets off the line, it's over, and that's something Proehl is going to be working on from day 1 if the plan is to play him outside.

From what I've read, he actually is good against press coverage. He's so quick and his first step is so good that it's hard for CB's to get their hands on him. So basically, he doesn't have any problem getting off the line. He's really a double edge sword for a CB. If you try to press him and he beats the press, your toast, but if you play back, he can take a pass at the los and turn it into a 15-20 yard gain.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:03 PM

^^ That's nice to hear. Do you have any in depth tape on Austin? I just keep finding highlights.I really want play by play tape so I can really get a good feel for his strengths and weaknesses.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:20 PM

^^ That's nice to hear. Do you have any in depth tape on Austin? I just keep finding highlights.I really want play by play tape so I can really get a good feel for his strengths and weaknesses.


This is part of the problem.


There are a lot of WVU homers here telling you that he's an all around weapon... They've seen most, if not all, of his games...

But as soon as one of them wants to argue the value Tavon has, it is somehow their fault and burden to prove something to you (someone who obviously hasn't watched all those plays)...

Basically, this topic has now become as polarizing as religion in the Tinderbox... Either people think Austin will be a star, or people think he's not worth the hype...

It is pretty pointless to keep arguing it until he's in the league and someone can come back and say "told you so"... so I don't get why you have to go all bold and CAPS LOCK when you want to defend your point...

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:21 PM

^^ That's nice to hear. Do you have any in depth tape on Austin? I just keep finding highlights.I really want play by play tape so I can really get a good feel for his strengths and weaknesses.

Not really. I've just seen his highlights and have read up on him. That's why I am only cautiosly optimistic about him. If I had 1st hand experience watching him I might be more certain.

Really, it's the same way with all the likely prospects for us though. Since I didn't know who we might be looking at for the draft, I didn't know to pay special attention to them during the college season, so now have to rely on highlights, reports, and other people that actually did pay more attention than me. Usually ESPNU replays some college football games leading up to the draft, so I am hoping they play some games from our key targets (at least the ones we fans perceive to be key targets).

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:21 PM

Tavon has a 32 inch vertical leap.

Smith has a 38 inch vertical leap.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:27 PM

This is part of the problem.


There are a lot of WVU homers here telling you that he's an all around weapon... They've seen most, if not all, of his games...

But as soon as one of them wants to argue the value Tavon has, it is somehow their fault and burden to prove something to you (someone who obviously hasn't watched all those plays)...

Basically, this topic has now become as polarizing as religion in the Tinderbox... Either people think Austin will be a star, or people think he's not worth the hype...

It is pretty pointless to keep arguing it until he's in the league and someone can come back and say "told you so"... so I don't get why you have to go all bold and CAPS LOCK when you want to defend your point...


Fair enough. But all I'm asking for NOW is in depth tape so I can see for MYSELF.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:33 PM

Tavon has a 32 inch vertical leap.

Smith has a 38 inch vertical leap.

That's the biggest issue I have with him on the outside, he won't be winning any jump balls. But on the other hand, he is quicker and faster than Smitty, so he would still be dangerous. That's why ultimately I think he'll be a guy that plays everywhere and will be hell for the defense to match up with.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:01 PM

LOL. No one passes by a guy with 4.3 that is 6'3-6'6.....yeah I would understand you guys then. I would look crazy LOL...

Remember Percy went into the late 20's, D-Jack went into the 2nd round and Smitty went into the 3rd round. Look at Mike Wallace and guys like TY Hilton, they all went in lower rounds. I just feel like a lot of you guys are over hyping Tavon's round selection.

But Tavon is not that big man. How much does he weigh? And Percy benched 225 19 times if I recall right.

Also NFL safeties hit way harder man. I still question Tavon's ability to hold up in this league. Just because you stayed healthy in college does not mean you will stay healthy in the NFL.....I mean there are a lot of examples.

Percy slipped into the late 20s with less speed, injury concerns, and the revelation that he used marijuana to deal with a chronic migraine problem. He failed three drug tests at Florida if I'm remembering right. He does weigh about twenty pounds more, but injuries were already a concern.

Tavon was the most productive guy in the nation last year. He's versatile, and his style perfectly matches the NFL rule changes. He's essentially a faster Darren Sproles.

His size does bother me, though. Sproles, Harvin, and the other 'little' guys in the NFL still all went about 190 around draft time. If Gettleman, Rivera, and the training staff trust him, I'm okay with it. But yes, I'm concerned about that. I just know he can produce if he can stay on the field.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:55 PM

There is tape of complete WVU games on youtube, as far as brakdown tape just of Austin I havent seen any.


I will agree his size scares me. I've seen him take some good hit and popup back up. But nothing that was extremely hard.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:56 PM

Right now he is in the reggie bush model except as a wr. Versastile but needs a coach to use him properly.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:51 PM

Right now he is in the reggie bush model except as a wr. Versastile but needs a coach to use him properly.


This is a more comparable player. The biggest difference being that Bush was a college RB that was asked to be a slot WR in the pros, while Austin was a RB that was asked to primarily be a WR+++ in college (to his benefit.)

Honestly, a fair assessment Austin is a faster/quicker Reggie Bush type player, that has an exceptional advantage at running routes and catching the ball.

We can sit here and argue about being able to jump 6 inches higher or run an agility drill in a quarter of a second less. But you can't measure heart, character, and work ethic... all of which Austin scores off the chart in my book. I think that can translate more to success in the NFL than combine measurables. I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that Austin has any cares for the "fame" aspect either, whereas some guys like Bush are seemingly all about that.


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