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Are we seeing a slight changing of the guard in the NFL?


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:37 PM

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:38 PM

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:40 PM

There are not even 32 franchise quarterbacks in the NFl. To think that teams can dump one that is a franchise quarterback over money to simply find another one in the draft with no problem is naive at best. Of course you keep your franchise guy and you pay him accordingly. if it were so easy to find QBs everywhere, they wouldn't command such a high price to begin with.

yep.

seahawks and 49ers lucked out in landing who they did. if they claim to have known how good they would be prior to the draft it's doubtful that they would have waited as long as they did to pick them up because the liklihood of them being the only ones "in the know" is slim/none.

guys like that are the exception...not the norm at all. best place to draft a franchise QB is in the first round.

when you find one, you DO NOT let them go unless you are under some misguided and antiquated perception that you can just throw some guy in there and hand the ball off and occassionally make a good throw or two. QBs will keep on getting the big contracts they are and they will be the only one to keep seeing a continually rising market going forward.

i think there is a changing of the guard as far as QBs are concerned as ones coming out of college are more suited for the pass heavy/spread offense based philosophies of the current league, but soon enough we'll see a slowing down in the turnover rate...in fact we might be seeing a bit of it this year.

franchise QBs are the least expendable players on your team and they still remain the top priority for any franchise. priority #1 is getting them. priority #2 is keeping them. once they have them, they don't let them go.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:45 PM

personally I think it's a rise in the hybrid quarterback....nowadays he has to be mobile and accurate. The days of having a pure pocket QB are dwindling and the day of having just a running QB is in the same boat.


as for the OP....Seattle is most definitely benefitting from having a rookie in Wilson that was able to shoulder the team at an incredibly discounted price. Less than $600,000 per year....that sure opens a lot of money to spend elsewhere instead of a 10 or 12 million dollar contract to a Flacco/Brady etc.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:57 PM

personally I think it's a rise in the hybrid quarterback....nowadays he has to be mobile and accurate. The days of having a pure pocket QB are dwindling and the day of having just a running QB is in the same boat.


as for the OP....Seattle is most definitely benefitting from having a rookie in Wilson that was able to shoulder the team at an incredibly discounted price. Less than $600,000 per year....that sure opens a lot of money to spend elsewhere instead of a 10 or 12 million dollar contract to a Flacco/Brady etc.

i think a premium is going to be on true dual threat guys...and not just at QB, but at WR as well. WRs are going to need to be able to run the ball well out of the backfield in addition to being a good receiver. the ones who can do both well are probably going to be more valuable. look at harvin's deal for example and the WRs in the draft that are getting the most attention...patterson and austin.

RBs are also going to have to prove themselves to be good receivers as well. you can't be a one trick pony. teams want multi-dimensional players.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 09:43 PM

personally I think it's a rise in the hybrid quarterback....nowadays he has to be mobile and accurate. The days of having a pure pocket QB are dwindling and the day of having just a running QB is in the same boat.


as for the OP....Seattle is most definitely benefitting from having a rookie in Wilson that was able to shoulder the team at an incredibly discounted price. Less than $600,000 per year....that sure opens a lot of money to spend elsewhere instead of a 10 or 12 million dollar contract to a Flacco/Brady etc.



This is my point entirely. This is a copycat league. I am not saying that you ever get rid of the Mannings and Brady's of the World, but maybe, just maybe you don't give that contract to Big Ben and Flacco.

What if you traded those guys for massive amounts of draft picks, and end up with tons of cap room, and land on a Russell Wilson or Colin Kaep?

Now that the league is so heavily leaning toward "throwing QB's" I wonder if some teams will start heading in a different direction to try to compete.

Again guys, I am not sitting here saying that we should not pay Cam, and that Green Bay shouldn't pay Rodgers, just that there may be a swing in the philosophy of teams.

No one in their right minds would have thought 20 years ago that Guards and Slot WR's were as valuable as they are today.

Just throwing it out there.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:21 AM

Breaking down the suggestion and naming it "Blue collar QB":
Draft a dime a dozen qb that will cost you $1M a year.
Use the saved ~$15M to get really good weapons like
- A very good WR
- Avery good upgrade at guard ($5M extra)
- If your QB shines, trade for picks after 2-3 years (someone will always overpay as proven with Cassel or Kolb). Get more cheap good players.

Although I do not think it is a stupid suggests, the main problem with it as I see it:

-QBs costs games if they suck, a guard rarely
-Media attention is all over the QB, makes it harder for a blue collar guy to handle it
-Harder to get high profile FA without a known QB, at least until you have proven it works.

Over course noone is going to trade away a Cam or Rodgers to test it. But a typical losing team that never gets the QB part right anyway, like the Jaguars, why not try. It is not like they are winning anyway.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:45 AM

The Romo contract made me think of this thread again.

Going back and looking at the last 10 or 12 Superbowl winners now.

It seems that the vast majority of the winners had QB's that were still on their rookie deals, or were not super high paid QB's when they won.

Didn't feel like digging in too deep, but I think that Manning 1 was the only winner that was well into his high income years. Also his little brother.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:12 PM

I think the qbs coming out are more nfl ready than ever but no. Once you find your guy you pay him unless hes got some red flags (injury, intangibles, etc)

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:39 AM

I don't think it is a copycat league as much as it is the legit athletes are playing QB and sticking with it through high school and college.

10 years ago...Cam likely wouldn't of played QB in college.

Dual threat QBs are here to stay bc of what is going on in college and high school

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 11:49 AM

I don't think it is a copycat league as much as it is the legit athletes are playing QB and sticking with it through high school and college.

10 years ago...Cam likely wouldn't of played QB in college.

Dual threat QBs are here to stay bc of what is going on in college and high school

the pros have no real choice but to build on and around the talent of the players coming through high school and college and the systems they have been entrenched in for a lifetime. if they fight against it or try to change it, it will result in an inferior product.

the game is constantly evolving. adapt or die.