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Tavon Austin projected to be top 15 pick.

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I prefer good WRs over big WRs. I don't give a damn how big a WR is, I want one who can get open, catch, and make plays with the ball in his hands.

I remember when a bunch of Panthers fans flipped out when we drafted a 5'9" smurf of a return man out of Utah back in the day...

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I don't understand how anyone can say that our offence doesn't need a small, speedy WR. The speedy guys in question like Murphy, Pilares and Armanti haven't exactly amounted to much. You can't exactly point to them and go 'but wait! We already have THAT guy!'. The only legitimate 'small, speedy guy' worth a damn is Smitty. He's getting up there in age.

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I thnk he fit exactly to what we need in this offense. We don't have that slot receiver who can keep the chain moving on 3rd down, or that target that Cam can go to when he's in trouble. 89 will always be on the outside. LaFail will be the no.2, so Austin can come right in and fill the slot position. He can help do a lot of the dirty work running the short routes.

When you look at all the better offenses in the league, most of them has that slot receiver (NE Welker, Den Stokley, GB Cobb). We're missing that right now. We're a pass first offense and we lined of with 3 receiver sets a lot. The thing is we have no true slot that is able to create mismatch underneath. LaFail have been working that position the last couple years but he's too big and not mobile/agile to work that position.

It's beyond fugging hilarious that you want Austin when you were completely against bringing in Harvin when they are the EXACT same player.

Like could be the dumbest/funniest poo I've ever read on here next to when Mrtouchdown said that Eric Fisher didn't deserve to be in the first round and that I was retarded for thinking so.

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It's beyond fugging hilarious that you want Austin when you were completely against bringing in Harvin when they are the EXACT same player.

Like could be the dumbest/funniest poo I've ever read on here next to when Mrtouchdown said that Eric Fisher didn't deserve to be in the first round and that I was retarded for thinking so.

Harvin is an established vet who required a pricey trade and a big money deal to land. Austin at #14 would require neither. Harvin is also a well established malcontent. The combo of the three = no thanks.

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Harvin is an established vet who required a pricey trade and a big money deal to land. Austin at #14 would require neither. Harvin is also a well established malcontent. The combo of the three = no thanks.

I didn't want Harvin, and I wouldn't mind Austin.

But that wasn't chucks argument, his argument was that Harvin was nothing but a slot receiver/offensive weapon and that we need a bigger #1 type receiver.

Just let me laugh at the stupidity in peace.

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Other than Adams and Steve (who isn't considered undersized because of his ability to fight for the ball), who else is 'small'? Don't say Edwards.

Our receiving core features Murphy (6'3), Bryant (6'5), Olsen (6'5), Rosario (6'4), LaFell (6'2), Gettis (6'3), Pilares (5'11), Edwards (5'11), Smith (5'9) and Adams (5'9). I don't see undersized WRs dominating anything.

I said WR corps, Smitty, Pilares, Edwards, Adams. That's 4 of our 7 receivers, with only Lafell, Gettis and Murphy being over 6'. I expect Edwards and Murphy to be gone, but even after that the majority of our WRs are still undersized.

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I prefer good WRs over big WRs. I don't give a damn how big a WR is, I want one who can get open, catch, and make plays with the ball in his hands.

I remember when a bunch of Panthers fans flipped out when we drafted a 5'9" smurf of a return man out of Utah back in the day...

I didn't mean to give the impression that his height is enough to make me not want him, but I can see how it'd be taken that way. If a player is just straight up dominant and awesome I don't care how big they are. But Austin doesn't give me the impression of straight up dominant and awesome. Sure he juked and wiggled his way around college kids, but didn't make me think he'll definitely be doing the same in the NFL. Would I take that chance with our 2nd rd pick? Sure. Not our first. (and no, I'm not saying I expect he'll be available with our 2nd).

In hindsight, Smitty was an amazing pick and blahblahblah we all know he's awesome. But Smitty is awesome because of something you just can't predict easily. His heart and desire. Does Austin have that? Who knows, but he'll need it to be great.

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But what big tall threat do the panthers have that actually sees time.....at least smitty puts up a 1000+ yards....and lafell is not a deep threat.

panthers was 12th overall in offense..so not bad at all.....they are not missing a slot to be good on offense....i would get an extra te for the red zone and a deep threat to stretch the field. of course i would fix that swiss cheese oline first to give newton protection.

none of those teams in the top 15 of offensive stats have star slot wr except pats.........so i dont think you need to take a slot that early to have a good offense...people get blinded by what the best qb does.........nfl is such a copy cat league.

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Pilares and Edwards are average height. Average is NOT undersized. Armanti might have a small frame but he's not 'small'. Pilares, on the other hand, has a thicker build. Bryant and Rosario are converted WRs. They're apart of our WR core now and both stand at 6'5. So again, no, our WR core isn't dominated by undersized receivers.

5'11 is not average height for an NFL WR. I'd guess 6'1 is.

And Bryant and Nelson aren't on the roster. They're practice squadders.

So yes, at 4/7 our WR corps is dominated by undersized WRs.

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Bottom line is that if Austin is all that and a bag of chips, then he should be in line for major consideration. I don't care what size he is, if he is tough. Austin said that he hasn't missed a game in 8 years. Some people come out of their asses with comparisons, but I think that the comparison to D-Jax is on point, and there are subtle suggestions that Austin could be better. This should make every Panthers fan sit up and pay attention.

I said earlier this season that I believe Adams could be on the bubble depending upon who we get in here (though he'll probably survive). The same can be said for Pilares, and Edwards is as good as gone (because he just is not an NFL caliber WR, no matter how much anyone wants him to be).

Electrifying, explosive playmakers who can take it to the house every time they touch the ball don't come along every day, so you can't just use size to reject them out of hand.

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Hi i don't post here much but that might increase first I don't like short WR's but if we are ever going to find a replacement for Steve Smith This Tavon Austin might be it

as for our current group of WR's Lafell is a stilll learning solid #2 & Gettis was appearently a 1 yr wonder & Pilares could be a good slot & ST guy & A.Edwards is a Special Teamer at best nothing more & Adams needs to develop more before he see the field as a WR

SO the question is can you see Tavon Austin as a #1 WR i can & i can't see any WR on our roster as a future #1

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is there that much of a difference between this guy and joe adams that tavon would be worth a #14 pick and adams can't see the field on offense?

All I can say is watch his film......nothing there even close to Adams.He only had 572 all purpose yards against Oklahoma and 390 yards with 4 TDs against Clemson.Do you think Adams could do that?

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