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#31 Stroupe-a-loop

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:43 PM

Are we going to be able to sign Cam? Thats the real question.
Cam's contract is coming up any day now.


We can't extend him until the new league year starts in 2014, literally. Those are the rules.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:44 PM

Whoa, let's not say things we can't take back because nobody's as bad as Matt Millen.



Got carried away. Still, I always thought that Hurney inherited a lot of talent. Look at the drafts right before his arrival--when that talent left, Hurney's true colors came through.

However, I think Hurney stocked and paid free agents at RB like Millen did WR. They are comparable. Hurney was exposed in 2010 and fired in 2012. Millen was exposed and fired 6 years later, making him worse.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:52 PM

Got carried away. Still, I always thought that Hurney inherited a lot of talent. Look at the drafts right before his arrival--when that talent left, Hurney's true colors came through.

However, I think Hurney stocked and paid free agents at RB like Millen did WR. They are comparable. Hurney was exposed in 2010 and fired in 2012. Millen was exposed and fired 6 years later, making him worse.


I think Hurney was more average or a little below than anything (Which is why his teams often checked in at the 7-9 or 8-8 marks). He was just an up and down guy, who made some stupid decisions with players he liked too much.

But he was doing some things right. For that superbowl team, he got Delhomme, Peppers, Proehl, Witherspoon, Gross, Davis, and Foster. The game breaking talent that was here before his arrival was basically from that one draft where Seifert shockingly knocked three picks out of the park with Morgan, Jenkins, and Smitty. So I think that he did a good job with that.

He also did ok recently because he got the guys we are worried about extending (Cam, Hardy, etc.) He just screwed up the cap this year and possibly next year with dumb extensions.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

Good comment. Part of his background is scouting players ahd making an impression in free agency--basically, he had to gauge a player's value and relate it to the needs of the team. I imagine he did not scout the high end players as much as the lower end players--good free agents acquisitions are rarely the gems of free agency. I think he got to know the value of players better than someone scouting the college draft.

He is also not just focusing on this season. He is not trying to create an instant winner but he is interested in buildning a winning foundation.

While some on here think Hurney was great until the last few seasons, Gettlemen realizes that you have to address ALL positions and that the supporting cast is as important as the five or six high-profile players.


This should be the Huddle mantra.

As a franchise we have been in a funk the last few years. Mainly because we had a cap guy running our football team. Gettlemen is a talent guy. A football guy. Those facts alone should give everyone a needed shot in the arm.

IMO, Gettlemen is doing exactly what he should be doing. He is trying to scrap off the dead weight, cap wise, so he knows what he is working with. Then he will go about adding to the team. He is not going to make any decision before its time. And when he does make a decision, it will be for the betterment of the team as a whole.

Maybe, just maybe, he does not see all the doom and gloom others would have you see. So he is taking his time to do things right. Some of us Huddlers see us as a pretty good team that does not need an infusion of players. Just the right few and we are better.

There is still plenty of time to fill what few holes we actually have. I am willing to give him that time to see what he wants to do. If he does this right, we are better. If he fails, which I sencerely doubt, we are then in gloom and doom mode.

We have a top notch Football Guy running the show. Give the guy the time he needs to see what he can do. If he is everything we expect. We are going to get better. If he cannot get the job done. Well, that ain't gonna happen.

Sorry, I can't quite get into words what I am thinking. Hope this is close enough to get my point across.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:24 PM

This should be the Huddle mantra.
Gettlemen is a talent guy. A football guy. Those facts alone should give everyone a needed shot in the arm.

IMO, Gettlemen is doing exactly what he should be doing.... he is taking his time to do things right....Hope this is close enough to get my point across.


I understand where you are coming from. It is hard to eat your veggies when the other kids are chomping on candy bars. We are having to watch other teams get better (on paper, but not necessarily the ledger sheet paper) and it is hard. If Cole sticks, he is a genius. He is brilliant if Florence plays well. There is a good chance that is happening, but if not, so what? He is not guaranteeing $$. He is going to show us how to fill holes with no money.

The draft will be interesting. I expect to see a trade down if possible. SF has a ton of picks and would love a few players when we pick.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:40 PM

Are we going to be able to sign Cam? Thats the real question.
Cam's contract is coming up any day now.

Why do you and other people keep worrying. Cam is not going no where. Cam will get paid and everything will be fine. Panthers would not waste a 1st round pick on him if they wasn't going to resign him after his rookie contract. Unless he all of a sudden he has a flop of a season and does bad. He will get paid and things will be good. Gettleman knows what he is doing. We don't. Let Gettleman do his job. Things will be ok in the near future for this team.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

Yup, it's part of why Gettleman isn't out spending on FA right now...

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

I understand where you are coming from. It is hard to eat your veggies when the other kids are chomping on candy bars. We are having to watch other teams get better (on paper, but not necessarily the ledger sheet paper) and it is hard. If Cole sticks, he is a genius. He is brilliant if Florence plays well. There is a good chance that is happening, but if not, so what? He is not guaranteeing $$. He is going to show us how to fill holes with no money.

The draft will be interesting. I expect to see a trade down if possible. SF has a ton of picks and would love a few players when we pick.


As to the draft. This is Gettlemen's first draft. He is a pro talent evaluator. From whom is he getting his feedback? I can see him doing his best to evaluate the first two rounds. It is those pesky later round picks where he will need the most helpl Where is that help coming from?

Other than that I am excited to see my team actually draft the BPA. And just who they think those guys are? Big guys, and TD makers. Lots to choose from in the first group, not so much with the second. All I know is that there will be much speculating round here til draft day cometh.

Personally, I would take the best DL available. Preferably one with the skills to play inside and outside. I want to perpetuate our DL strength. That way, when CJ needs to be replaced, we already have that guy.

Fill the grunts with low level FA and draft picks, so you can use those first two picks on ATHLETES. Ah hellz, draft the best efen athlete each and every pick. Winner. I figured it out.

What was the question?

#39 PhillyB

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:18 PM

if beason, gross, and d-will are gone at that point (or massively restructured) we'll have room to sign him. i don't see gettleman letting a premiere pass-rushing tandem go.

#40 iamcline

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

At this rate, you let Lafell walk and give Hardy a extension.


This.

No reason to pay Lafell. He's been amazing in his role, but he'll never get top money here. Easier to find a #2 wide receiver than it is a premier pass rusher.

#41 carolina-chuck

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

Why do you and other people keep worrying. Cam is not going no where. Cam will get paid and everything will be fine. Panthers would not waste a 1st round pick on him if they wasn't going to resign him after his rookie contract. Unless he all of a sudden he has a flop of a season and does bad. He will get paid and things will be good. Gettleman knows what he is doing. We don't. Let Gettleman do his job. Things will be ok in the near future for this team.


I'm not worrying about losing Cam. The NFL is a hard place to find a job. It's not like the NBA where the players has the leverage over the team. In the NFL, you take the first contract thrown at you or else you ain't going to find another one close to that.

I'm worry about retaining a guy like Hardy that we groomed into a damn good player. We're going to have to create a lot of room once Cam's contract is nearing.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:29 PM

The rate we're going we might just cut, Gross and CJ. And still be over the cap.

not really. Gross, if he doesn't rework his contract, costs nothing to cut next year - he'll have a large salary, but no remaining bonus proration. CJ's another story - that contract will always be costly - but he's earning it.

About the rest of 2014 - assuming none of these players are cut now, by next year all of the 2011 contracts will have matured by a bit. The first three years of bonus will have counted, and making it to 2014 means that 2014's bonus proration counts in 2014 no matter what. So, the five year deals signed in 2011 are generally all cuttable, by definition.

So if the worst case scenario is that Rivera fails this team, you can get rid of the guys who aren't producing.

here's more on that.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:57 PM

Here is the thing. With a flat cap next year there will be more guys out there to pick up driving prices down even more next year. Hardy might get a 4 or hopefully 5 year contract for 40 - 45 million with 25 guaranteed. With a 15 million signing bonus and the rest guaranteeing some of the salary he might have a cap hit of 4 million in 2014 and 6 or 7 in 2015. After that it goes up but so does the cap. It could cost more but not many players are getting the big money and it will be even tougher next year. All the better for the team and ultimately the fans.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:31 PM

The good news. This is basically our last year of Hurneymagic. The load lessens easily next year, which will just add to the excitement.

The bad news. This is basically our last year of Hurneymagic. We have players, and contracts, that limit our manueverablity. Because of this, we are pretty much who we are. Which just adds to the melencholy atmosphere around here.

The good news. We are still a pretty good team. We very well could do good things this year.

The bad news. If we are going to be a very good team. We are going to have to do it with pretty much what we have. Maybe a cheap FA or two, and our draft picks, is about all we can expect this year.

The good news. For the Rivera lovers. If we can continue to trend upward as a team. He may just get to stick around.

The bad news. For the Rivera haters. If we don't continue to trend upward as a team. He may get the axe.

Damm I love this time of year.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

given a choice between the two...you do that.

lafell is basically moose-lite. if we draft WR well this year, we let lafell move on. don't need to be over-spending for a pretty average receiver.

we gain more by extending hardy.

that said...i don't see us keeping hardy either. he'll be commanding more money...not CJ money, but still more than we should be spending on one position. look at paul kruger's contract as a baseline.


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