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#46 top dawg

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:13 AM

This is my take on Hardy (Gettelman and CJ's contract) from another thread:


Agreed.

Defense and consistent pressure on opposing QBs is something that helped the Giants win Super Bowls (as well as the Steelers). Call me crazy, but I think Gett has that same mind frame. I absolutely think that Hardy is a key element in a run to a championship, and Alexander has not yet shown us that his level of game is in the same league as the Kraken's. Consistent pressure, imo, is perhaps the most important way to deal with guys like Brees. It doesn't stop him completely, but it makes Breesus human. Pressure definitely turns Matty Ice into slush, and flat out makes Freeman look more like Vince Young than Vince Ferragamo (old schoolers). Moreover, his mere presence helps the entire defense including his teammate on the opposite side. Another good year by Hardy will undoubtedly put another type of pressure on CJ and the FO. One would have to think long and hard about who stays or goes (if it would come to that), and one would be faced with the real possibility of restructuring or getting capped (as the process of market correction will more than likely continue into next year's free agency, particularly with Gett at the helm). But, I still say we keep both at the end of the day.




Going off on a little tangent that may be a sign of things to come next year, look what Elway is saying about Dumervil's contract this year. So all of you who don't think that CJ's contract won't become an issue, or that he would never be cut or traded in favor of a cheaper Hardy or up-and-coming Alexander (if he shows marked improvement), you might want to think again. Gett comes from a different ilk than Hurney...


Basically, Gett is going to pay players what their worth, and he is not going to overspend (as well he shouldn't). I think that a lot is going to depend upon Hardy's play this year. If he has another good year, I don't believe there is any way Gettleman is going to let him go, unless he wants an exorbitant contract. I don't think Hardy is going to get CJ-money, and I don't even think CJ is going to get Hurney-CJ-money, but good money more in line with what some of the coveted premier rushers got this year. Cj will have to trim some fat off his contract if Hardy (and, to a lesser extent, Alexander) plays with the fire he played with this past season. Moreover, another part of the equation will be the possible emergence (or rerun in Dwan Edwards' case) of a DT who can actually put pressure on the interior. Gettleman is going to want to keep that intact, but at market value. Hopefully the players will covet what we are trying to do here and compromise to be able to stay Panthers.

Now, LaFell is another story altogether. I am just miffed as to why people continue to speak as if he is all that and a bag of chips. He isn't steak, people, he is more akin to Spam. He barely plays to the level of a B-list WR in this league, and he is going to have to up his game markedly for him to even be a major concern when his contract comes up. I think he will be a concern---someone who knows our system, that would be nice to have, but up to now his play doesn't warrant a big money deal because he hasn't played near what people first believed to be his potential. I could argue that he has been a little disappointing, actually.

LaFell is going to have to improve dramatically, or the market might just barely see him as a blip on the radar (much like it sees Murphy, (saw) Brandon Gibson, and possibly even DHB today.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:00 AM

Hardy isnt going anywhere, bank on it.

NY model is to keep drafting DEs....building through the draft doesn't mean paying your draft picks big deals once they mature/peak.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:05 AM

LaFell still has a lot to prove before we start talking contract extension...

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:40 AM

The Panthers should be more concerned about finding a #1 WR than worrying about LaFell. #89 will be 34 this year, and he is still the best WR the Panthers have.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:28 PM

Now, LaFell is another story altogether. I am just miffed as to why people continue to speak as if he is all that and a bag of chips. He isn't steak, people, he is more akin to Spam. He barely plays to the level of a B-list WR in this league, and he is going to have to up his game markedly for him to even be a major concern when his contract comes up. I think he will be a concern---someone who knows our system, that would be nice to have, but up to now his play doesn't warrant a big money deal because he hasn't played near what people first believed to be his potential. I could argue that he has been a little disappointing, actually.

it's the carolina way- make completely average and replaceable players franchise cornerstones.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:49 PM

we seem to be a straight up salary cap mess right now ugh

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:33 PM

Gettleman has been clearing up cap space for next year and future years so I bet we get them back. We need to be able to resign Hardy.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:01 PM

If all this inactivity is just so we can sign Hardy next year i dont have a problem with it. Keeping building through the draft till we get our core guys takin care of.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:23 PM

as much as this team needs playmakers, and fans outcry for such, I couldn't imagine letting this guy (over all others) walk because of "cap issues"..

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:28 PM

Alexander hasn't shown to be 1/4 of what Hardy is right now. No way can we just let Hardy walk because we picked up Frank.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:00 PM

Hardy will be given this season to prove that he can continue to play at last year's level. If he does that, then I am sure we will do what we can to keep him. However, if we cannot come to an agreement prior to FA, then I have no doubt that we will place the franchise tag on GH.

And depending on how talks go, we may then look to pick up a DE early in the 2014 draft. If we do go that route, it would give the rookie a year to learn as he transitions to the NFL while Hardy plays on his franchise tag. Also, before someone throws out Alexander as a potential Hardy replacement, I do like him, but I see him as never being much more than a valued backup and rotational guy, not a consistent starter.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:13 PM

Our DEs are whats gonna make our defense respectable the next couple of years. Having Luke at LB is just icing on the cake. We could have a elite defense very quick. Gettleman just has to build around them smartly but not take too long, i will be astonished if he screws that up.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:34 PM

NY model is to keep drafting DEs....building through the draft doesn't mean paying your draft picks big deals once they mature/peak.


Exactly. Draft well, and you have depth. Quality depth diminishes the need for big contracts.

You are going to have to pay the ones that turn into starts. But if you do it right, you don't hancuff yourself. Sounds familiar. Also, if you draft well, you may be able to makes some trades. You can trade some talent for more picks to perpetuate the proccess.

Drafting well is still the benchmard. Teams that do so are markedly more consistent. The only worry I have with Gettlemen's approach is the fact that this is his first draft. Gonna be interesting to see how he plays it.

We have drafted some talented players. So we are doing fairly well in that area, lately. Paying that talent a fair deal is where we seem to be off course. Hopefully, Gettlemen rights the ship like most seem to think he can.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:05 PM

given a choice between the two...you do that.

lafell is basically moose-lite. if we draft WR well this year, we let lafell move on. don't need to be over-spending for a pretty average receiver.

we gain more by extending hardy.

that said...i don't see us keeping hardy either. he'll be commanding more money...not CJ money, but still more than we should be spending on one position. look at paul kruger's contract as a baseline.


My opinion is if hardy lights it up again this year I say we do what we can to pay him, people tend to forget he was considered a top 5 pick(possibly #1 overall) at one point. And I don't think we've seen the best of him yet, but we'll see..

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:41 PM

My opinion is if hardy lights it up again this year I say we do what we can to pay him, people tend to forget he was considered a top 5 pick(possibly #1 overall) at one point. And I don't think we've seen the best of him yet, but we'll see..

i don't forget that, but i also don't let that keep me from protecting cap space. it would be tough, for sure, but we absolutely can't fall for the hurney "you don't let good players leave" trap. once you start down that road, you cripple the rest of the team.

you cannot put that much money into one position...esp. when you are always so close to the cap.


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