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Is it really this bad?

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So yeah, they're all good teams and they're all adding players that we wish we could add, but they're also losing players, and there are legitimate questions regarding whether or not they've actually improved. And at the level we were playing, we should be pretty happy that we're not losing anyone, right?

So which team should we be discussing here? The Panthers team that everyone here was talking up in January? Or the broken down relic that most of the current posts are describing?

The realists and the downers would have you believe it is the latter. Whereas, the optimists and the Homers would have you thinking it is definately the former.

The realists believe we were only successful last year based solely on the competition. While the more optimistic among us saw a team that deserved to win.

The realists see way too many holes and flaws to even sniff the playoffs. The rest see us as a RG and strong DT from being pretty darn good. Scary good.

The reaslists look at Gettlemen and still see a broke down hurndog. Us optimistic folks look at Gettlemen and see a brighter future.

The realists only see the same ol' same ol'. While the folks up in here with optimism see a future chuck full of successes and excitement.

We have a Football guy running the show. The realists tell us we should have gone younger.

You cannot please a realists. They see the negative in every situation. No matter what success you have there will always be something to worry and fret over. And they just cannot phathom anyone not be as fearful as they are.

Sure us Homers are optimistic by nature. That does not however take away from what is happening round here. We have a Franchise QB the likes of which no one has ever seen. We have some young talent that has meshed very nicely with the vet presence already on the team. We finally have a Talent Evaluator running the show. And we have a young team that may just have figured out what it takes to win in the NFL.

OK, that's all for now. Thanks for the opportunity to rant at the downers.

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I also trust Gettleman to find depth. The guy is known for finding contributors out of nowhere.

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Our best DT is Fua, our best FS is Nakamura, our best corner is Josh Thomas, and we have no linebacker depth if Beason/Davis, two very injury prone players, go down.

No, No, maybe.

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at the present moment in time,I think we have the stage set to be slightly worse...luckily we still have the draft and maybe some FAs.

Defense is a push at best.

Offense is a push at best.

If you are getting better....you are getting worse

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Our best DT is Fua, our best FS is Nakamura, our best corner is Josh Thomas, and we have no linebacker depth if Beason/Davis, two very injury prone players, go down.

This.

C'mon, cheerleaders, waiting to read your responses to this very factual and straight-forward statement.

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When we were discussing whether or not Rivera should get another year, there were a lot of people on the board who were citing the level that the team was playing at to close the season as evidence that Rivera should be retained. There was also talk about how much the injury situation hurt the Panthers. And, of course, the poor start was blamed on Chud's play calling.

So now Chud's gone. If the season started today, we would have a better offensive line with Kalil's return. We would have a hole at DT, but one which could probably be patched and upgraded in the draft. We would be pretty much where we were in the secondary, and with Beason returning and replacing Anderson, we would be upgraded at Linebacker.

Where would we be worse?

Atlanta's lost their best pass rusher, and replaced one aging physical back with another. I don't see how their offense is going to really be any better than it was last year, it was already very good. And their defense has gotten worse. Tampa Bay has moved the "strength" of their defense from the line to the secondary. New Orleans got a cornerback, but they're still going to be transitioning to a new defensive scheme that they don't have all the parts for.

So yeah, they're all good teams and they're all adding players that we wish we could add, but they're also losing players, and there are legitimate questions regarding whether or not they've actually improved. And at the level we were playing, we should be pretty happy that we're not losing anyone, right?

So which team should we be discussing here? The Panthers team that everyone here was talking up in January? Or the broken down relic that most of the current posts are describing?

Mostly agree. ATL is still one of the best teams in the NFL and should be a superbowl contender again. But we can beat them and almost swept them.

New Orleans is all about coach Peyton. They are clearly a much better team with him and they are a playoff caliber team.

TB should be the bottom of the NFCS but they are always a challenge for us and we generally expect a split on average with them.

So are we if you get rid of the coaching issues

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I don't care that we did not go out and sign one of the overpaid free agents out there. Interesting stat on that right here:

Rick Gosselin@RickGosselinDMN

The NFL has spent $707 million on the Top 25 free agents, of which $297 million is guaranteed. Those 25 FAs have a combined six Pro Bowls

I do however wonder what the holdup is with the Gross extension/restructure. I also don't see why he was in such a hurry to sign Hartstock to a miniumum of 825k(vet minimum for his tenure)possibly even more when we have more pressing needs and already tight against the cap.

Other questions/complaints I have are...

Canty showed interest in coming here pubicly and signed for a very reasoanble deal that even we could have afforded. 3 years, 8 million with a 2 million signing bonus(making it easy to cut him in future if need be). His 2013 cap figure is only 1.5 million.

Kenny Phillips contract details have yet to be released yet but did we even show any interest?

Dwan showed that he has no signs of slowing down so why not give him a 2-3 year deal with a smaller signing bonus that makes it easy to cut him if need be?

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Our best DT is Fua, our best FS is Nakamura, our best corner is Josh Thomas, and we have no linebacker depth if Beason/Davis, two very injury prone players, go down.

Godfey is our best FS not Nakamura who is a special teamer, there is this thing called the draft...

Why don't you go post somewhere else?

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Our best DT is Fua, our best FS is Nakamura, our best corner is Josh Thomas, and we have no linebacker depth if Beason/Davis, two very injury prone players, go down.

This.

C'mon, cheerleaders, waiting to read your responses to this very factual and straight-forward statement.

Yea it sucks we have to suit up and play next week with our current roster, too bad we dont have until September to get it straightened out.

What that statement was is another crybaby who dropped their pacifier.

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We picked up Dwan Edwards after final cuts last year. Good players will get cut and be willing to play for less in order to have a job. Happens every year. Plus the draft, plus possible trades, and free agency just started. Give it time whiners.

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