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#41 iamhubby1

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:53 PM

I see your point. But IMO you need to see something early out of a 1st rd pick. Statistically if you go back and look at the last 10-15 yrs worth of 1st rd DT's they are the highest percentage of busts. With the Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson's of the world. Of course that is a risk with any player but history just shows 1st rd DT are risky.
Like you I just want the BPA whether that's Dline, Oline, whatever. I want a WR but it looks like best value is 2nd rd unless we trade back . I think Rivera can do more with less on the defense than Shula can with the offense. That's why I tend to want oline, then WR. But of course couldn't be mad about a legit #1 corner, or monster DT. A probowl talent/star at any of several positions would make us better.


Can't argue with any of that. With our needs we just have to add some athletes. Even in the later rounds we have to find some athletes.

I would feel better if Gettlemen was a College evaluator. Cuz that is the another area he is needing help to make his decisions. We drafted well last year, so I have some faith in the staff. But I just wish Gettlemen was a little bit more familiar with the draft.

Anyway you look at it. We are still young and learning. I would love to add some Vets to go along with the rookies. I want to be excited. Just doesn't seem to be happening as easily as I would like.

Still a bright future ahead though.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:07 PM

Can't argue with any of that. With our needs we just have to add some athletes. Even in the later rounds we have to find some athletes.

I would feel better if Gettlemen was a College evaluator. Cuz that is the another area he is needing help to make his decisions. We drafted well last year, so I have some faith in the staff. But I just wish Gettlemen was a little bit more familiar with the draft.

Anyway you look at it. We are still young and learning. I would love to add some Vets to go along with the rookies. I want to be excited. Just doesn't seem to be happening as easily as I would like.

Still a bright future ahead though.


With all due respect, what is your obsession with "athletes"? This is your third post on just this page clamoring for the top "athletes" in the draft. We all know athleticism doesn't automatically translate into good football. That's why the combine doesn't really alter draft position by a whole lot...or else these "Combine Warriors" like Margus Hunt would go in the top 5. Instead, last I heard he's a projected 2nd rounder.

Just trying to figure out your thought process.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

I really only hoped for a Gross restructure and a re-signing of Dwan ...neither of those has happened but Person said he expects a Gross restructure to come

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:41 PM

With all due respect, what is your obsession with "athletes"? This is your third post on just this page clamoring for the top "athletes" in the draft. We all know athleticism doesn't automatically translate into good football. That's why the combine doesn't really alter draft position by a whole lot...or else these "Combine Warriors" like Margus Hunt would go in the top 5. Instead, last I heard he's a projected 2nd rounder.

Just trying to figure out your thought process.


When you are talking about the top 14 in the draft, you are talking about the top talent in the class. Some of those guys have more athletic ability than others. If you are talking comparable talent. I would take the better athlete.

Athletes bring flexibilty, playmaking ability, and that all important "Wow" factor.

Now if you are talking equal talent and athletic ability. Give me the harder worker. But in almost every case imaginable. You take the best athlete left on the board. I promise if you do this, your need for FA will diminish every year until you barely need them at all.

It also keeps your team stocked. Allowing you to focus on those athletes worth a bigger deal. Depth is what gives you that flexibilty. So if you are stacked with athletes, you should be in good shape cap wise as well, as talent wise.

IMHO, the team with the most athletes usually wins. If I have 20 athletes against your 15, who would you expect to win?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 06:39 PM

The best players we lost was D. Edwards and C. Gamble. Edwards was using the "Teams have offered me longer deals" offers but hasn't signed. Which gives me the idea he is FOS. Just a smoke screen to get us to offer him a bigger contract. While I believe we should give him a two year deal it appears Gettlemen wants to keep his commitment to older players down.

I am surprised no one is barking up Gamble's tree. I realized he was injured but he is a quality CB. I know many dislike him but look at his completion rate against him when he was healthy.

I would like to see us re-sign D. Edwards, Bring in a skilled WR and a good offensive guard thru Free Agency.

There are quality DBs and DTs in the Draft.

What i would like to see is us Jettison, Clausen, and A. Edwards. Sad to say but Clausen and A.Edwards is a bust.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:18 PM

The best players we lost was D. Edwards and C. Gamble. Edwards was using the "Teams have offered me longer deals" offers but hasn't signed. Which gives me the idea he is FOS. Just a smoke screen to get us to offer him a bigger contract. While I believe we should give him a two year deal it appears Gettlemen wants to keep his commitment to older players down.

I am surprised no one is barking up Gamble's tree. I realized he was injured but he is a quality CB. I know many dislike him but look at his completion rate against him when he was healthy.

I would like to see us re-sign D. Edwards, Bring in a skilled WR and a good offensive guard thru Free Agency.

There are quality DBs and DTs in the Draft.

What i would like to see is us Jettison, Clausen, and A. Edwards. Sad to say but Clausen and A.Edwards is a bust.


Gamble retired right after we cut him. He doesn't want to play anymore.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:10 AM

Gamble retired right after we cut him. He doesn't want to play anymore.


I thought I heard that. Thought it was Gamble blowing smoke.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:49 AM

I'Would be interested to know if there is something other than money keeping these guys away? We can't be too far off of market value that we can't get something done? Are they insulted by our offer? I mean, what is the deal guys?


Sure we cant afford those crazy contracts, but the problem is not really the money but also the fact that we can only offer 1 year deals I think.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:24 AM

Can't argue with any of that. With our needs we just have to add some athletes. Even in the later rounds we have to find some athletes.

I would feel better if Gettlemen was a College evaluator. Cuz that is the another area he is needing help to make his decisions. We drafted well last year, so I have some faith in the staff. But I just wish Gettlemen was a little bit more familiar with the draft.

Anyway you look at it. We are still young and learning. I would love to add some Vets to go along with the rookies. I want to be excited. Just doesn't seem to be happening as easily as I would like.

Still a bright future ahead though.


He did College scouting earlier in his career and Accorsi said they valued his input when they were drafting. I can't imagine that viewing tape on a player and grading them is that different whether it's a vet or college guy. I agree we need help in several areas so if us getting legit players 1 and 2, at any of those will make this team better. To me that's what we need to make some noise next year.
Who knows maybe we make an Olsen type trade right before draft day. Then we fill whatever immediate needs /depth with Dwan Edwards/Hollis Thomas/Marlon McCree type guys after June 1st like we have in the past. It is a buyer's market already so just imagine in a month or 2. We will be able to get some vets with a little tread left on the cheap. Mix that experience in with our blue chip guys Cam/Kuechly/Smith/Kalil/CJ/Olsen/Hardy?/Davis, Beason?/DW.Stew?/ and our young players and our 1st 2 picks this year.
Chud was a HUGE problem last year and a big reason we lost so many early games. I hope Shula is up for the task. If we get a stud WR and oline help I just don't think he has to get that cute to have a good offense. With CAM!/Stew/Dwill/Smith/Olsen/ and please God another actual playmaking WR, that is alot of talent. Shula will run the ball more and out of pro sets which will set up Cam's deep throws and runs. If we put Cam in a place to play like he did end of year last year and Rivera can work his D magic we will be ok

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:03 PM

He did College scouting earlier in his career and Accorsi said they valued his input when they were drafting. I can't imagine that viewing tape on a player and grading them is that different whether it's a vet or college guy. I agree we need help in several areas so if us getting legit players 1 and 2, at any of those will make this team better. To me that's what we need to make some noise next year.
Who knows maybe we make an Olsen type trade right before draft day. Then we fill whatever immediate needs /depth with Dwan Edwards/Hollis Thomas/Marlon McCree type guys after June 1st like we have in the past. It is a buyer's market already so just imagine in a month or 2. We will be able to get some vets with a little tread left on the cheap. Mix that experience in with our blue chip guys Cam/Kuechly/Smith/Kalil/CJ/Olsen/Hardy?/Davis, Beason?/DW.Stew?/ and our young players and our 1st 2 picks this year.
Chud was a HUGE problem last year and a big reason we lost so many early games. I hope Shula is up for the task. If we get a stud WR and oline help I just don't think he has to get that cute to have a good offense. With CAM!/Stew/Dwill/Smith/Olsen/ and please God another actual playmaking WR, that is alot of talent. Shula will run the ball more and out of pro sets which will set up Cam's deep throws and runs. If we put Cam in a place to play like he did end of year last year and Rivera can work his D magic we will be ok


I would imagine the proccess is pretty much the same. My worry is more about the extent of knowledge he posesses on the current crop? How much time will he need to fimiliarize himself with enough players to fill his board? Maybe the draft is more important than FA in his mind, so he is spending his resources in that area? Which is why we are being so cautious in FA.

All I know is that this is his first draft. He needs to find a way the draft 6 good players. (Who, imo should also be good athletes.) The circumstances give me pause.

I know he knows talent. But we are talking about a poo ton of players to be evaluated. Maybe he gets the scouting dept. to give him a starting point? Then it's off the film room.

I guess I am skeptically optimistic at this point.


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