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We would get $6.7m in cap relief, but the cap hit is higher.

Here is what PFF says about his value--

https://www.profootb...ensive-tackles/

3. Jordan Gross, Carolina Panthers

2012 Cap Hit: $11.5m

2012 Performance Based Value: $6.1m

Value Differential: -$5.4m

Like Williams, Gross (+16.3) didn’t grade out poorly in 2012, finishing the regular season as our 20th-rated offensive tackle, but he just wasn’t worth the $11.5 million that Carolina paid him. His 94.7 PBE Rating was tied for 26th among players at his position and, while it would have been difficult for him to justify that cap hit regardless, that’s too much pressure to allow from a left tackle being paid that much.

Then there was this paragraph in a statement about Atlanta's Sam Baker:

https://www.profootb...-make-no-sense/

One of the great fabrications in the NFL is that you need a franchise left tackle. The book and movie The Blind Side made the position into something it wasn’t, a glamor spot on the roster, and contracts given out to these stud pass protectors began to perpetuate the myth. The only problem is that we’ve seen recently you don’t need a great left tackle to win if you have a great quarterback. We’ve also seen that the best left tackle in football won’t make a bit of difference to your fortunes on offense if you can’t find a legitimate quarterback.

So, if you look at things from PFF's point of view, we should probably consider letting Gross walk.

I disagree with this perspective, but am interested in what others think.

If we let Gross walk, that leaves a hole on Cam's blind side that we would have to full via free agency or the draft. Gettleman has said he wants to build through the draft, though he also said he wanted to do some things in free agency so that he can take BPA. Free agency isn't an option for LT so that leaves the draft. There is only one LT I want who could start immediately- Central Michigan's Eric Fisher.

http://walterfootbal...draft2013OT.php

http://www.nfl.com/d...sher?id=2539213

http://www.cbssports...players/1673079

He would have to fall to us though. He is projected to be top 10/15.

Other than picking him, I say that we keep Gross.

When we would cut Gross is also a factor. If we cut him before the draft that means everyone knows that we need a LT. BUT, if we don't, and Fisher is there at 14, I say we take him and then cut Gross.

Just a thought

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If we let Gross walk, that leaves a hole on Cam's blind side that we would have to full via free agency or the draft. Gettleman has said he wants to build through the draft, though he also said he wanted to do some things in free agency so that he can take BPA. Free agency isn't an option for LT so that leaves the draft. There is only one LT I want who could start immediately- Central Michigan's Eric Fisher.

http://walterfootbal...draft2013OT.php

http://www.nfl.com/d...sher?id=2539213

http://www.cbssports...players/1673079

He would have to fall to us though. He is projected to be top 10/15.

Other than picking him, I say that we keep Gross.

When we would cut Gross is also a factor. If we cut him before the draft that means everyone knows that we need a LT. BUT, if we don't, and Fisher is there at 14, I say we take him and then cut Gross.

Just a thought

Interesting.

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Hangartner is so damn awful.

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If we let Gross walk, that leaves a hole on Cam's blind side that we would have to full via free agency or the draft. Gettleman has said he wants to build through the draft, though he also said he wanted to do some things in free agency so that he can take BPA. Free agency isn't an option for LT so that leaves the draft. There is only one LT I want who could start immediately- Central Michigan's Eric Fisher.

http://walterfootbal...draft2013OT.php

http://www.nfl.com/d...sher?id=2539213

http://www.cbssports...players/1673079

He would have to fall to us though. He is projected to be top 10/15.

Other than picking him, I say that we keep Gross.

When we would cut Gross is also a factor. If we cut him before the draft that means everyone knows that we need a LT. BUT, if we don't, and Fisher is there at 14, I say we take him and then cut Gross.

Just a thought

Gross does not have to rework his deal, but it could cost him in 2013-14. Carolina could cut him NEXT year and his market value would be very low for a 34-year old LT. I think that will be the plan. If Gross does not take a cut, and I wouldn't, Gettlemen will develop his replacement by taking a project later in the draft.

Here is something that pisses me off. They have to go after Gross for a cut, when they have 2 running backs (dime a dozen) that Hurney gave a ton of cash to for splitting time, staying hurt, and underperforming. They should be cutting their salaries if anyone, but with so much guaranteed money, they are safe. We paid them $17,000 per yard gained last year.

I cannot emphasize this enough: I screamed to have Hurney fired with Fox. JR's biggest mistake is not manning up and firing him.

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Hangartner is so damn awful.

He sure is. I said the other day that he should have been a DT considering how much time he spends in the offensive backfield.

Garry Williams and Hangartner are not making us better--they are liabilities. I don't know why we have not cut them and applied the $2.5 million or so toward our cap. Even if we only find one starter, it is worth it.

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I hope we sign this guy. He would be a huge help on the line.

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Is Brandon Moore still available? He was yesterday.

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good. i hope we can pull it off.

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