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#11 chknwing

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:39 PM

We already have a June 1st cut in James Anderson.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:08 PM

Trading someone because of a stupid-money contract someone gave him, because you need to get under the cap or because you need to get spending under control gets you teams offering a 4th or 5th.

Trading someone because they no longer fit your offensive scheme or you've found his replacement gets you a 3rd or 4th.


Williams wouldn't be a June 1 cut just as a means to create room like say Gamble was...more reasons to

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:12 PM

Gross will restructure. Give it time. Gettlemen may also have another idea or two up his sleeve. All the draft picks will fit and we will bring back at least one out of munnerlyn and dwan.



Id assume if this was just a restructure it would already be done. It's already known he was asked to take a pay cut. Id say thats probably what we're waiting on, as the market begins to thin.

Restructuring only hurts us down the road, and Gettleman has been pretty apparently trying to address the issue this year and in the future.

You could argue Gross wouldn't want a simple restructure because he knows it may lower his future job security, but that isn't ideal because it only hurts us more when the time would come to cut him.

We're waiting on him to decide on a pay cut.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:19 PM

Fwiw I'd say he likely declined the pay cut. If he's sitting around trying to decide what he wants to do and we're forced to continue courting chumps like frank omiyale because of it while we wait then... Well..

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:20 PM

I would think Gross would take a restructured deal, or at least i would think he has some sense of loyalty to the team that drafted him and kept him around these last 10+ years.

DWill I fro some reason in my gut do not see him leaving. Just a gut feeling. They seem to be trying to cut a lot of people that we were not expecting. We were all expecting Dwill and Gamble. But no Anderson.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:36 PM

If you say so it must be true

And I do, therefore it is. I meant take a paycut though, not restructure. It's going to happen, they're just negotiating on numbers. Am I an insider? No, but I have a brain. We can argue all we want, but before the season starts gross WILL be playing for less or he won't be on the team.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:42 PM

We paid out an option bonus to Tolbert to keep him here for a few more seasons, we shifted Stewart's contract to pay him more money upfront. DWill was always the most obvious cut but with these actions I think it's very clear.

The only reason why he hasn't been cut already is that it makes no difference to us if we cut him now or June 1st. By keeping him, well maybe some team misses out on the RBs they like in the draft and they decide to throw a trade offer at us. Not likely but we don't lose anything by holding onto him for now.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:45 PM

We paid out an option bonus to Tolbert to keep him here for a few more seasons, we shifted Stewart's contract to pay him more money upfront. DWill was always the most obvious cut but with these actions I think it's very clear.

The only reason why he hasn't been cut already is that it makes no difference to us if we cut him now or June 1st. By keeping him, well maybe some team misses out on the RBs they like in the draft and they decide to throw a trade offer at us. Not likely but we don't lose anything by holding onto him for now.


Curious,

Can trades have June 1 cut applications?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:49 PM

We paid out an option bonus to Tolbert to keep him here for a few more seasons, we shifted Stewart's contract to pay him more money upfront. DWill was always the most obvious cut but with these actions I think it's very clear.

The only reason why he hasn't been cut already is that it makes no difference to us if we cut him now or June 1st. By keeping him, well maybe some team misses out on the RBs they like in the draft and they decide to throw a trade offer at us. Not likely but we don't lose anything by holding onto him for now.


Good points. I'd love to hang onto DeAngelo, but it's just not realistic to hang onto both his and Stewart's contracts. IMO, his deal was made by Hurney with the intention of releasing him after this coming season.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:50 PM

Curious,

Can trades have June 1 cut applications?



It's the same thing, cutting or trading a player. If cut/traded before June 1 the dead money accelerates to this season, if after it applies to next year.

Cutting a player you have the option to designate them a June 1 cut even if you cut them before that date. Trading them there's not that option so if we trade DWill it would actually have to be after June 1st.

This means that in the unlikely event that we find a trade partner we wouldn't gain any draft picks this year but instead they'd be dealing us future picks (which actually makes it more likely that a team will give us something for him).


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