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Ron Rivera reportedly says the Panthers are "open to trading D. Will"


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#31 CatMan72

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:38 PM

Of course we're open to trading him for the right compensation in return...

Here's something from PFT (per Gantt) on the cap consequences of trading DeAngelo from back in November:

As Gantt pointed out on Wednesday, the Panthers areprepared to take the cap hit that would result from a trade of running back DeAngelo Williams. It’s important to clarify what the cap hit would be, and when it would apply.
Some (including me) believed as a knee-jerk matter that the remaining allocation of the $16 million signing bonus Williams received in 2011 would hit the cap now. Prior to 2006, that would have been the case — and that’s one of the reasons for a lack of trades of veteran players.
In 2006, the NFL and the NFL Players Association tweaked the labor deal to allow trades made after June 1 to be treated like cuts of players after June 1. In those situations, the team absorbs the acceleration for the current cap year and the balance of the acceleration in the next cap year.
For Williams, the $3.2 million bonus allocation would continue to apply this year. For a post-June 1 trade, the remaining $9.6 million would apply not this year but next year.
The cap charge would be offset by avoiding Williams’ $4.75 million base salary next season, which means that the Panthers would carry a net hit of $4.85 million in 2013, if they trade Williams before the 2012 trade deadline.
And while that’s not a huge amount, keep in mind that the NFL expects the salary cap for 2013 to remain flat. So it’s not as if the dead money will be subsumed within the normal annual increases in the spending limit.


http://profootballta...lliams-cap-hit/

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:45 PM

Lattimore....come out and plaaayyaaay

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this.

or draft patterson or austin and get a WR/scatback/return guy all in one and roll with the RB corps we have here.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:56 PM

Just checked this guys twitter feed and talk about stretching the truth... He basically took the tweet from Person where Rivera deferred any questions about trading D-Will to Gettleman and ran with it from there.

He later uses a quote from Jeff Fisher saying they are looking for a "big back" to replace Steven Jackson and to "look for the Rams to go after Williams after he is released".

Basically this guy is taking a little bit of info and throwing poo against the wall in hopes that it sticks.

#34 CarolinaPanthers8789

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:57 PM

I feel like that reporter took what Rivera out of context considering it was reported earlier that he deferred questions about Williams' status with the team.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:58 PM

Get a 4th for him and I'd nut. I'm thinking a 5th would probably be the price though.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:58 PM

Just checked this guys twitter feed and talk about stretching the truth... He basically took the tweet from Person where Rivera deferred any questions about trading D-Will to Gettleman and ran with it from there.

He later uses a quote from Jeff Fisher saying they are looking for a "big back" to replace Steven Jackson and to "look for the Rams to go after Williams after he is released".

Basically this guy is taking a little bit of info and throwing poo against the wall in hopes that it sticks.


I thought the same thing... took things out of context/stretched the truth.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

So what would we get in return besides some cap space down the road... a 5th round pick?

No thanks, I would only do this trade if it involved a player that could help us now at a position of need.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

Whatever helps the future

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

you know who chud has already, no


You mean, Trent Richardson? Last I heard he was a pretty good RB.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:04 PM

So what would we get in return besides some cap space down the road... a 5th round pick?


I believe we'd actually lose cap space in a trade...at least in the interim. It would be nice to acquire a 4th or 5th for him this year and perhaps use it on a replacement (Lattimore or otherwise), but unless we wait and trade him after June 1 the cap hit would be worse than just keeping him on the roster.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:11 PM

Would that escalate to like a $9 mil hit for us this year?

9.6 unless he can be a june 1st which would be 4.8 and that would i believe save us about $3.5 mil and that is if i am understanding june 1st cuts correctly and/or trades can be used as a june 1st whatever it would be called

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:19 PM

9.6 unless he can be a june 1st which would be 4.8 and that would i believe save us about $3.5 mil and that is if i am understanding june 1st cuts correctly and/or trades can be used as a june 1st whatever it would be called


It would be a hit of $9.6m if he's cut or traded before June 1; which would cost us $1.4m in cap space since his cap hit this year is $8.2m.

I'm still learning the NFL cap system, but if he's cut/traded after June 1 then wouldn't we take a hit of $3.2m (this year's portion of his signing bonus), while we'd take the remaining hit ($6.4m) next season? I could be missing some variables though, but that's how I understand it. Assuming my numbers are right - not a given - that would save us $5m this year and $2.8m next year. But again, only if he's moved June or later.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:22 PM

9.6 unless he can be a june 1st which would be 4.8 and that would i believe save us about $3.5 mil and that is if i am understanding june 1st cuts correctly and/or trades can be used as a june 1st whatever it would be called


It's going to be a 9.6 million dollar hit whether we trade him or keep him. Even if we do either as "post June 1st," I am not in favor of carrying over dead money into the future. If we do it as an immediate hit then we lose 1.4 in cap space(his current hit is 8.2 million).

So basically no reason to move him this year.Its has been discussed ad nauseam on here but poster's refuse to acknowledge it for some damn reason.

And while I'm at it here one more inconvenient truth for the majority of the Huddle. Cutting Clausen only saves 55k this year, unless of course done as a June 1st cut and carrying over dead money into 2014.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:26 PM

So basically no reason to move him this year.


Whether you're in favor of it or not (honestly I'm not sure where I stand on it), a June 1 cut/trade is a viable option. It creates space this and next year, and I like many others think we can replace DWill's production at a fraction of the cost. We probably won't find someone as talented, but for as little as we use Williams...

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:32 PM

Joe Person@josephperson1h
Would trash it this year. But provide a lot of space in future yrs. RT @vancespn: @josephperson how would trading D. Will affect the cap?




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