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Curious Scenario for the Cap Guys

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How viable is it for us to cut Jordan Gross and then sign say Sebastian Vollmer?

From what I've heard, we'd probably save about 6 mil if we could get Vollmer on a 5-6 mil a year contract.

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Gross is a leader and good....and is a diverse lineman.

Don't get the fascination with cutting him
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Vollmer is a right tackle

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If I'm in Gettleman's position, I'm tough on Gross. I give him an ultimatum. If he's such a leader, he shouldn't be making 11 million dollars with our cap situation. I think a 32 year old LT is more expendible than we make him out to be, former pro bowler or not. I think Gross more than deserves a spot on this team, but not for 11 mill, especially at his age.

Sebastian Vollmer, however, is not the answer to anyone's problems.

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[b]This is why he needs to restructure. So that his name can stop coming up in these conversations[/b]

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[quote name='PiratePanther189' timestamp='1363889542' post='2170311']
If I'm in Gettleman's position, I'm tough on Gross. I give him an ultimatum. If he's such a leader, he shouldn't be making 11 million dollars with our cap situation. I think a 32 year old LT is more expendible than we make him out to be, former pro bowler or not. I think Gross more than deserves a spot on this team, but not for 11 mill, especially at his age.

Sebastian Vollmer, however, is not the answer to anyone's problems.
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You can't talk tough to Gross.....when all he has to do is point to our backfield. Gross plays everydown....if Gettlemen needs cap room all Gross has to do is point behind him. Gross has leverage. Other avenues Gettlemen can create room, he protects Cam's blindside, and is probably the biggest leader on offense.

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[quote name='CRA' timestamp='1363889788' post='2170320']
You can't talk tough to Gross.....when all he has to do is point to our backfield. Gross plays everydown....if Gettlemen needs cap room all Gross has to do is point behind him. Gross has leverage. Other avenues Gettlemen can create room, he protects Cam's blindside, and is probably the biggest leader on offense.
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I'm not arguing that at all. I think you're right. But couldn't you say the same thing about Kalil? He certainly has leverage as well, BUT he took the high road and took (somewhat of) a pay cut.

All I'm saying is that if Gross is going to be titled the biggest leader on offense, shouldn't he feel obligated to help this team out in any form or fashion instead of pointing fingers to the backfield, or to CJ, or to Beason, or to whatever?

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[quote name='PiratePanther189' timestamp='1363890022' post='2170327']
I'm not arguing that at all. I think you're right. But couldn't you say the same thing about Kalil? He certainy has leverage as well, BUT he took the high road and took (somewhat of) a pay cut.

All I'm saying is that if Gross is going to be titled the biggest leader on offense, shouldn't he feel obligated to help this team out in any form or fashion instead of pointing fingers to the backfield, or to CJ, or to Beason, or to whatever?
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Kalil didn't take a paycut or the high road. They just shuffled numbers.

Being a leader doesn't = taking a paycut. There are guys who have pocketed a lot of cash out there in recent times that haven't earned it much more so than Gross.

It is taking awhile b/c GM doesn't have much leverage....Gross does. They probably settle on a small restruture shuffling numbers.

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All I'm saying is if we gain all 11-12 mil in cap room from cutting gross, you have to admit that replacing him with a downgrade at LT, but gaining a capable RG and still gaining 6ish mil in cap room is definitely enticing.

Why pay two great Olinemen superstar money if the unit as a whole is collectively one of the worst in the NFL? I love Gross and he's been a great player for us, but his salary is handicapping our ability to protect Cam - far outweighing his personal ability as 1/5 of our line. I hate to bring this up as well, but what is our plan if he goes down with an injury?

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[quote name='Frizzy350' timestamp='1363890673' post='2170334']
All I'm saying is if we gain all 11-12 mil in cap room from cutting gross, you have to admit that replacing him with a downgrade at LT, but gaining a capable RG and still gaining 6ish mil in cap room is definitely enticing.

Why pay two great Olinemen superstar money if the unit as a whole is collectively one of the worst in the NFL? I love Gross and he's been a great player for us, but his salary is handicapping our ability to protect Cam - far outweighing his personal ability as 1/5 of our line. I hate to bring this up as well, but what is our plan if he goes down with an injury?
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downgrading from Gross at LT....with weak LG play is dumb. Think of overpaying Gross as a Cam investment for 2013. Teams generally don't pay C's superstar money b/c they are just C's.

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Yeah, Gross is a pooty head for not volunteering to give away his salary at the end of his career for the good of a team that has, IMO, an average, at best, projection for the next several years.

What could he possible be thinking?

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[quote name='CRA' timestamp='1363890870' post='2170340']
downgrading from Gross at LT....with weak LG play is dumb. Think of overpaying Gross as a Cam investment for 2013. Teams generally don't pay C's superstar money b/c they are just C's.
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With his salary we could get a capable starter at LT, LG and RG.

How is it a Cam investment? Even with Gross all year long most analysts pegged us at around 27-29th in Oline rankings. Even if we cut Gross and didn't replace ANY pieces on the oline we can only drop a few spots when we sport the official worst line in the NFL.

If we are going to spend about 25 mil a year on our Oline then we should be getting results. Gross could be the best LT in the league and I still wouldn't pay him if it meant fielding a poo line.

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