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Ted Ginn joins the Panthers on a one-year deal

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1363932466' post='2171400']
[size=4]By the way Lafell is a solid number #2 Wr...[/size]
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What you consider "solid", I consider decidedly mediocre (or gossamer). Here is a debate I had earlier:

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Find me 1[size=4]4 other wide outs who put up nearly 700 yards and four touchdowns.[/size]
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[quote name='CPF4LIFE' timestamp='1362175023' post='2149065']
Eric Decker, Lance Moore, Julio Jones, Mike Williams, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, Randall Cobb, Miles Austin, Ty Hilton, Jeremy Maclin, Torrey Smith, James Jones, Sidney Rice. Antonio Brown. Andre Roberts.

All i have put up better stats that you just stated and none are number 1 receivers. I can keep going if you want.
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[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789' timestamp='1362175186' post='2149069']
Um... the majority of those guys are number one's...
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[quote name='top dawg' timestamp='1362175281' post='2149074']
Are you kidding me? Now you're just being silly.
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Like you he just wanted to prove his point at all costs, so he got technical on me

[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789' timestamp='1362176077' post='2149097']
Easiest way to see who is right against who is wrong is go directly off of team's depth charts, not based off of opinion. So let's take a look shall we...

Julio Jones, Sidney Rice, Antonio Brown, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, and Jeremy Maclin are all listed as one's based on teams depth chart's.
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[quote name='top dawg' timestamp='1362176931' post='2149123']
[size=4]Well, since you are more concerned with being right, on a technicality, let me tell you that you are absolutely correct. You deserve a cookie. But... then let's take the earlier list and take the ones that apparently aren't technically listed as WR1s and add, Roddy White, Golden Tate, Mike Wallace, Hakeem Nicks, Cecil Shorts, and Desean Jackson. I suppose you think that LaFell can currently take his place among that number...?[/size]
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I don't see why not, you have to remember that we had a tight end that took a lot of receptions/yards/touchdowns away from our wide receivers. If I'm not mistaken, Greg Olsen was third in receiving yards this year for tight ends.

Also, I wouldn't put DeSean Jackson on that list... just for reference.
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[quote name='top dawg' timestamp='1362246703' post='2149618']
To your first remark: Becuase LaFell has never consistently been able to carry his team like Roddy White, Golden Tate, Mike Wallace, Hakeem Nicks, Cecil Shorts, or Desean Jackson have shown the ability to do when their WR1 (as listed on the web site as you so correctly pointed out) was receiving double coverage, out, or just not having a good day. To be blunt, I would say that everyone other than Tate is a quasi WR1 (which is really the point), but even Tate is better than LaFell when you look at his impact on the team.

Regarding D-Jax, he logically should be included in the list. You do see what I did with the list, right? The list was really a product of your own making.
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You guys are killing me with this LaFell is a solid #2 stuff. If LaFell is solid, I wonder why all these guys who are technically listed as 2s, or guys that we may think of as 2s are considered around the league to be overall better players, if not legitimate threats, and really make LaFell look relatively sub par when it comes to impacting football games. I'm just sorry; if you can't be highly productive---and I said highly productive---opposite 89 after your third year in the league, then you just aren't the guy to do the job. Even Tate put up 688 yards and 7 TDs. I bet most FOs would be knocking on Tate's door before LaFell's, so I wouldn't exactly call that a ringing endorsement as a WR2. This does not make LaFell a bad WR, it just means that he is what he is; a solid WR3 IMO.

If he is the most solid WR we got to complement Smitty (which he is), then we have a bleeding wound on the other side that needs stitches, but actually has Band-Aids.

The same old arguments and excuses about LaFell and Gettis are getting old and stale. We need consistent playmakers at the WR position, not guys on the sidelines, guys who make cameo appearances now and then, or guys who are souped up versions of Legs Naane.
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[quote name='Daddy Uncle' timestamp='1363913435' post='2170977']

shut the fug and take your cry baby ass somewhere else. I hate that there always has to be somebody complain over everything. This is not something that should be complained about. We just got one of the best returners in the league. We aren't asking him to be the #1 receiver. Get over it
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one of the best returners in the league... who had a worse KR avg than kealoha pilares last season. and a worse PR avg than joe adams. had four fumbles on 46 touches.

he just about had less receiving yards the past three seasons (384 on 33 catches) than louis murphy did in 2012 (336 on 25). so he offers nothing to the offense.

yeah wow so pumped for this signing bro. might as well cancel the season and give us the lombardi right now. so glad i'm not a blind homer.

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With a round 1 or round 2 WR pick, LaFell will be our solid #3 WR.

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Too many of you writing off Gettis. He had 500 yards and 3 TDs his rookie season with Clausen, Moore and Brian St Pierre throwing him the ball. I'm interested to see what he can do with Cam. I don't think he was ever in any doghouse last year, I think it was more of a precautionary thing with his knee and all. He should be ready to go at Training Camp this year.
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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1363915763' post='2171036']


I don't know if that's true.

1. He could have still not been right from his injury.

2. This coaching staff has shown that they don't always make correct judgement with the Depth chart.
Example: Leaguedoodoo starting over Lafell most of last year.
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Legadoodoo....was there bc it was a new scheme and he had to line people up. It made sense. Even Smitty said Legatron had to keep him straight. He was an on field playcall instructor.

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[quote name='KillerKat' timestamp='1363917939' post='2171093']
Rivera's inconsistency at what players get in his dog house and what players don't is part of the reason why I believe he will be fired midseason.
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who stands out? Adams and Goodson both deserved it...

Norman did.

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Well bless my britches.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1363919529' post='2171153']
Really?? He's been hurt for 2 years and played with Clausen but yeah he was given a chance.
And I still don't agree with the McClain move but there had to be something happening off the field for them to cut a 3rd round pick so quick. Again Gettis is still here for some reason. It would be simple to cut him but they haven't.
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The team can't stop and wait on him forever and ever. He's heading into his 4th season. This is a what have you done for me lately league. If he can't turn it on in training camp this year then it is time to cut ties. No more automatic roster spots. I hope he can make something happen, we need more legitimate threats.

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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvZrbdG7bZw&feature=youtu.be[/media]
I haven't seen this video floating around here yet. I'm a huge OSU fan and loved watching this guy just run away from guys. He has so much potential to be a star player. If can devote 9 minutes, watch all of this! It is a reminder of what he can do. Video is poor quality btw. 3:43 is nasty

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[quote name='top dawg' timestamp='1363940198' post='2171442']


What you consider "solid", I consider decidedly mediocre (or gossamer). Here is a debate I had earlier:









Like you he just wanted to prove his point at all costs, so he got technical on me



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You guys are killing me with this LaFell is a solid #2 stuff. If LaFell is solid, I wonder why all these guys who are technically listed as 2s, or guys that we may think of as 2s are considered around the league to be overall better players, if not legitimate threats, and really make LaFell look relatively sub par when it comes to impacting football games. I'm just sorry; if you can't be highly productive---and I said highly productive---opposite 89 after your third year in the league, then you just aren't the guy to do the job. Even Tate put up 688 yards and 7 TDs. I bet most FOs would be knocking on Tate's door before LaFell's, so I wouldn't exactly call that a ringing endorsement as a WR2. This does not make LaFell a bad WR, it just means that he is what he is; a solid WR3 IMO.

If he is the most solid WR we got to complement Smitty (which he is), then we have a bleeding wound on the other side that needs stitches, but actually has Band-Aids.

The same old arguments and excuses about LaFell and Gettis are getting old and stale. We need consistent playmakers at the WR position, not guys on the sidelines, guys who make cameo appearances now and then, or guys who are souped up versions of Legs Naane.
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Since you've already formed your opinion on him and took no consideration of the situation. What is the point?

But you might want to look at all the WR who played in a option type offense to compare stats. You can't really compare his stats to a WR who played in a pass happy offense can you?

Let's also not forget the fact he missed 2 games this year and half another.

With 77 targets (and this doesn't say all were catch able balls. He had 673 yards and 4 td. 89 had 60 more targets had 1,000 + yards and 4 td. So maybe it wasn't the WR 's maybe it was the scheme.

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*Sigh*... we could have drafted Dwayne Harris, but we took Pilares.

We could have signed Dwayne Harris when the Cowboys cut/re-signed him.

Everyone called me a homer/stupid/etc when I said he was going to produce in the NFL... SMH

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