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#1 panther4life

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:42 PM

Panther deals
Greg Olsen 4 yrs/ 24 million (10 guaranteed)...ended up being a steal when compared to other TE'S contracts.

Jon Beason 5 yrs/50 millon (25 guaranteed)...fug fug fug,I swear I was in the minority with being unhappy with the deal at the time...go bump an old thread if you don't believe me. Anyway not even the skeptics could have predicted Luke would be drafted 2 years later and Beason would look grossly overpaid to this extent that he does now.

Charles Johnson 6 yrs/76 million(32 guaranteed)..he was the premier 4-3 DE that year and the only comparison would be to look at Hali's deal since he's a 3-4 pass rusher.

Deangelo Williams 5 yrs./43 million(21 guaranteed)...No positive spin here. I love D-Will I Really do but he got us here.

James Anderson 5 yr/ 22 million(8.5 guaranteed)..The guarantee was low enough to where we could cut him without much pain as we did this year

Charles Godfrey 5 yrs./ 27.5 million(12.4 guaranteed)...annual average of 4.5 per year and totally blown out of proportion on being such a terrible deal. See Michael Huff for comparison. Or just look at the crazy deals above average FS's in their 20's have signed the last 3 years.

Olindo Mare 4 yrs/12 million...Almost forgot this one...his agent deserves a raise.

Thomas Davis-can't find the original deal...its been tinkered with a ton and just went up thanks his incentives he reached last year.


More disdain for JR's 09-11 takeover.
The most glaring thing aside from the obvious(way too much guarantees) is why did we allow all these guy's to become free agents in the same year? Oh thats right somebody was prepping for a lockout. That same somebody had a chip on his shoulder and wanted to make a point to show the world he was not cheap. 09-11 were very uncharacteristic of Hurney.

Hurney has let people walk in the past such as Witherspoon, Mushin Muhammed, Doug Evans,Ricky Manning Jr.,Richard Marshall, Chris Draft and I am sure there's others but you get the point.(for those that don't I am saying JR played a heavy heavy hand in 2011, really from 2009-2011)

To say he has never brought in outside free agents before is b.s too. Delhomme, Stephen Davis, Ken Lucas, Mike Whale,Brandon Short, Ricky Prohel,Al Wallace, Mark Fields, Marlon Mcree, Keyshawn, brought Moose back, etc.

Then you'll notice in 09 we basically went on a spending freeze for 2 years.We kept a lame duck head coach in 2010, should have been lame duck GM( or was he spared for his loyalty?)

Before anyone try's to claim this is a Hurney apoligist thread or whatever there's plenty of other poo to blame solely on him such as; Jeff Otah,Jimmy Clausen,Everette Brown, Armanti Edwards, every 2nd round pick he's ever made(with possible exception of Amini). Ron Rivera(so far). Then of course the F.A. bust like D.J Hackett, Travis Claridge, Doug Brzinski,etc.


Sample of the rest of the NFL to at least show we weren't the only idiots.

Consider this some perspective to show you we were not the only ass clowns that year courtesy of walter football.

I put the guaranteed money in parentheses if he had them listed, otherwise you'll have to research it on your own if you care to know for each individual.

http://walterfootbal...ts2011recap.php

Tamba Hali 5 yrs/ 60 million(35 million guaranteed)- Chiefs...Not saying its a terrible contract as he produces but in comparison its actually worse than CJ's deal because its the same annual average on a year shorter term with more guaranteed making it harder to cut/restructure him at any point that it is for to do the same on CJ's deal.

David Harris 4 yrs/ 36 million (29.5 guaranteed)- Jets, lots of guaranteed $$$ for a player like him.

Larry Fitzgerald 8 yrs/ 120 million(47 guaranteed)-Cardinals...don't get me wrong Fitz is a beast but 15 million a year for a WR that you can't even properly utilize cuz you have no QB, I mean damn. They had to do it tho.

Kamerion Wimbley 5 yrs/ 48 million (29 guaranteed)- Raiders..cut 1 year later..ouch!

Michael Konenen 6 yrs,/19.5 million(6.5 guaranteed)-Bucs and yes the freaking punter

Michael Huff 4 yrs./32 million- Raiders(12 million guaranteed)

Zach Miler 5 yr/34 million(17 guaranteed)

Marcedes Lewis 5 yrs/35 million(18 guaranteed) Jags

Tavaris Jackson 2 yrs/8 million-Seahawks

Quinten Mikell 4 yrs/ 27 Million- Rams....

Santana Moss 3 yrs/ 15 million- Redskins

Jeromey Clary 4 yrs/ 20 million- Chargers

Paul Poslunzy 6 yrs/42 million(15 millon guaranteed)- Jags

Doug Free 4 yrs/32 million (17 guaranteed) - Cowboys

Barry Coefield 6 yrs/36 million (12. guaranteed) Redskins

Santonio Holmes 5 yrs/50 million(24 million guaranteed)- Jets

Davin Joseph 7 yrs/ 53 million -Bucs...Yes he's goot but he still plays RG.

Ray Edwards 5 yrs/ 30 million -Falcons

Nnamdi Aso 5 yr/ 60 million (20 guaranteed) Eagles

Steve Breaston 5 yrs/ 25 millon(9.5 guaranteed)- Chiefs

Cullen Jenkins 5 yrs/ 25 million


Here's other happy thoughts on why after 2014 we'll be back to normal. http://www.catscratchreader.com/2013/3/18/4118964/reasons-not-to-sweat-the-panthers-2015-salary-cap

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:51 PM

That link... wow. How the hell do you commit $107 million towards the cap with only 19 players. Jesus christ.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:58 PM

That link... wow. How the hell do you commit $107 million towards the cap with only 19 players. Jesus christ.

If it makes you feel any better the Saints have 105 commited to 2015. http://overthecap.co...aints&Year=2015

Also the Bucs have 79 commited to only 12 players. http://overthecap.co...neers&Year=2015

and as the article suggest if any only CJ will still be on the team then, so there's numbers aren't real.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:06 PM

The Saints are getting raped by Brees' contract. Other than that their deals don't look too horrible. The big name day 1 signings the Bucs have gone after this year and last look pretty laughable on their list.

For the Panthers, Cam Newton isn't even one of those 19 players listed, so add another huge chunk if/when we give him a big extension. And yeah I know you can cut guys to create cap space but then you're creating holes and having to deal with dead money hits. I just don't see why you would put yourself in that situation to begin with. Poor money management.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:16 PM

The only people getting paid the huge contracts now should be premiere QBs.
See Peyton, Flacco, and what Rodgers is about to get.
Hell Brady even took less in an effort to get another Lombardi.
Everyone else is tradable or can be replaced.
In a couple years Cam is going to be pushing 20 million and taking up ~15% of our cap.
Getts hopefully will get us in position to do that and only pay what is cap friendly everywhere else.
It's how you win in today's NFL going forward.
See the NY Football Giants.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:19 PM

The only people getting paid the huge contracts now should be premiere QBs.
See Peyton, Flacco, and what Rodgers is about to get.
Hell Brady even took less in an effort to get another Lombardi.
Everyone else is tradable or can be replaced.
In a couple years Cam is going to be pushing 20 million and taking up ~15% of our cap.
Getts hopefully will get us in position to do that and only pay what is cap friendly everywhere else.
It's how you win in today's NFL going forward.
See the NY Football Giants.


No Brady really didn't.

#7 Kevin Greene

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:24 PM

Look ay where the Giants spend their cap money.

http://www.rotoworld.../nfl/nyg/giants

It's Eli, the OLine and in a couple years Jason Pierre Paul.
Blueprint.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:25 PM

Good post.



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:25 PM

No Brady really didn't.


Here's his new deal per Rotoworld:

2/25/2013: Signed a five-year, $60 million contract. The deal is fully guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus. 2013: $1 million (+ $10 million "signing" bonus), 2014: $2 million (+ $15 million in "signing" bonus payments), 2015: $7 million (+ $5 million "signing" bonus), 2016: $8 million, 2017: $9 million, 2018: Free Agent


You think we're going to get Cam for 5yr/60mill?

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

So Brady's 2013 cap hit is 3.6 million? lol wow

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:11 PM

Brady's deal is really a 3 year deal worth 40 million, even he probably wont see that money in the last two years of that deal.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:35 PM

OK I'm going to break down the 2015 cap like that site suggests. They bring up that a lot of that money is tied up in the big contracts (CJ, DWill, Beason, TD, Godfrey) and that we'll most likely cut all of them except CJ.

OK so let's assume we cut DWill, Beason, TD, Godfrey and Steve Smith retires. That saves us a total of $30.1 million after dealing with all the dead money hits. Let's assume we re-signed Cam and he's taking up around 20 million.

That leaves us with $97.1 million towards the cap with only 15 players and only five definite starters.

Defense: DLine, we have nothing at DT, CJ and Alexander at DE. Linebacker we've got nothing outside of Kuechly. The secondary doesn't have a single proven starter, only two late round picks, Josh Norman and DJ Campbell.

Offense: Cam, Kalil and Olsen are our only starters. There's not a single starting caliber OT or WR. Silatolu is our only guard that by that point may or may not be considered starter material.

We also need a kicker, (most likely) a punter, and may need a KR/PR or two depending on how Joe Adams turns out.

The cap is suppose to stay around $122 million for 2014 and 2015. The $25 million in cap space that leaves us isn't much more than what it will take to sign our 2013-2015 draft picks and random league minimum guys just to fill out the roster. And again that's AFTER we drop 5 of our biggest contracts.

Well let's hope we draft well.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:29 PM

Olindo hahaha lol rofl lmao...fug

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:35 PM

OK I'm going to break down the 2015 cap like that site suggests. They bring up that a lot of that money is tied up in the big contracts (CJ, DWill, Beason, TD, Godfrey) and that we'll most likely cut all of them except CJ.

OK so let's assume we cut DWill, Beason, TD, Godfrey and Steve Smith retires. That saves us a total of $30.1 million after dealing with all the dead money hits. Let's assume we re-signed Cam and he's taking up around 20 million.

That leaves us with $97.1 million towards the cap with only 15 players and only five definite starters.

Defense: DLine, we have nothing at DT, CJ and Alexander at DE. Linebacker we've got nothing outside of Kuechly. The secondary doesn't have a single proven starter, only two late round picks, Josh Norman and DJ Campbell.

Offense: Cam, Kalil and Olsen are our only starters. There's not a single starting caliber OT or WR. Silatolu is our only guard that by that point may or may not be considered starter material.

We also need a kicker, (most likely) a punter, and may need a KR/PR or two depending on how Joe Adams turns out.

The cap is suppose to stay around $122 million for 2014 and 2015. The $25 million in cap space that leaves us isn't much more than what it will take to sign our 2013-2015 draft picks and random league minimum guys just to fill out the roster. And again that's AFTER we drop 5 of our biggest contracts.

Well let's hope we draft well.



Just like I was saying a couple months ago, unless the team drafts 3-4 bonafide starters the next two drafts, this team isn't close to playoffs and championship games. it's in rebuild mode for the second time in the last 4 years and Cam's first 5 years in the NFL were basically wasted. Oh and don't forget about Hardy and a few other players will be up for contracts during that time period.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:36 AM

OK I'm going to break down the 2015 cap like that site suggests. They bring up that a lot of that money is tied up in the big contracts (CJ, DWill, Beason, TD, Godfrey) and that we'll most likely cut all of them except CJ.

OK so let's assume we cut DWill, Beason, TD, Godfrey and Steve Smith retires. That saves us a total of $30.1 million after dealing with all the dead money hits. Let's assume we re-signed Cam and he's taking up around 20 million.

That leaves us with $97.1 million towards the cap with only 15 players and only five definite starters.

Defense: DLine, we have nothing at DT, CJ and Alexander at DE. Linebacker we've got nothing outside of Kuechly. The secondary doesn't have a single proven starter, only two late round picks, Josh Norman and DJ Campbell.

Offense: Cam, Kalil and Olsen are our only starters. There's not a single starting caliber OT or WR. Silatolu is our only guard that by that point may or may not be considered starter material.

We also need a kicker, (most likely) a punter, and may need a KR/PR or two depending on how Joe Adams turns out.

The cap is suppose to stay around $122 million for 2014 and 2015. The $25 million in cap space that leaves us isn't much more than what it will take to sign our 2013-2015 draft picks and random league minimum guys just to fill out the roster. And again that's AFTER we drop 5 of our biggest contracts.

Well let's hope we draft well.


IF D-Will is cut after this season his 10.2 cap hit for 15 is gone completely and saves us 10.2 million by itself.

CJ will either still be playing at a high level and extend his contract which will lower his cap figure or face being cut which saves 10 million if we cut him at this time of year in 2015. May sound unthinkable now but we could be rolling with Hardy/Alexander or what have you at this point.

Steve Smiths salary is fully guaranteed for 13 and 14 and then after that all bets are off. I personally believe he retires after the 14 season and that saves another 10 million.

Beason will never ever be on our team at a cap hit 11.75 million. When can cut him after the 2014 season and save 7.75 million without doing it as a june 1st cut.

Also Thomas Davis is never going to count 10 million against the cap. 1st possible scenario we cut him and have to draft a replacement but save 7 million. If we keep him and restructure him say we only save 4-5 million, either way he's never seeing 10 million cap hit.

Then of course you can extend the likes of Kalil, Stewart and Olsen at this point to save a few more bucks.

Why assume Cam would take up 20 million in his first year of a new deal? Flacco's cap hit is 6.8 million this year and he just became the highest paid QB in the game.

I just don't see it being that dire of a situation personally.

I am not saying we are set to go on a 2011 Buc, Eagles, Panthers or 2012 Doplhins or Browns spending spree but history says thats never a good position to be in anyway.


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