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Further evidence that WR trumps O-Line as a need (PFF edition).

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For your 1st question, No.

2nd question. Armanti, Pilares, Gettis,Ginn are the depth chart in some order behind Lafell.

3rd question. If you read my commentary next to each bolded stat I tried to be very objective about it and even conceded some of those stats are skewed because of scheme. Granted after weighing all the info and relying on my memory of watching games I still believe Cam would benefit from another weapon more than he would a new o-lineman and provided many panther specific reasons to back that up.

I also am humble enough and open for discussion to hear other opinion's(read my first sentence in the op) or why else would I share my thoughts on a message board if I didn't want to hear varying opinions?(rhetorical question)

Yes I loyally pay my $26/year to get the most comprehensive stats in the industry. If you follow any NFL writers on twitter they reference PFF often as does ESPN. Personally I don't take everything they say for gold(I constantly point out flaws in their grading system) but I like the access to the stats.

If you are "humble and open to hear other's opinions" then great--I will agree to disagree all day and we both grow wiser for it.. However, do not get anal and go wise ass if someone presents a different perspective. I appreciate the effort and the sharing. However, I think there is a difference between the offenses you present, not the QBs as much. I can get rid of a slant much faster than a hitch and go.

Thanks for the insights, however. There is some validity in them and they make you think. I do not agree that they tell you what you say they do--nothing against you. THanks for the civil explanation.

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If you are "humble and open to hear other's opinions" then great--I will agree to disagree all day and we both grow wiser for it.. However, do not get anal and go wise ass if someone presents a different perspective. I appreciate the effort and the sharing. However, I think there is a difference between the offenses you present, not the QBs as much. I can get rid of a slant much faster than a hitch and go.

Thanks for the insights, however. There is some validity in them and they make you think. I do not agree that they tell you what you say they do--nothing against you. THanks for the civil explanation.

All is good bud,and I am glad you are able to be civil as well...no way I was gonna extend this thread 15 pages beefing like other members do.

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So all the sacks and QB hurries were the wide receivers fault. Got it.

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So all the sacks and QB hurries were the wide receivers fault. Got it.

some acutally was.

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Now that I no longer worry obout my post count I'll play. As the smartest person in my house, let me give you guys/gals some sage advice.

You build your line to fit your scheme. If someone is there that fits the criteria, you take him. Whether that is Oline or Dline. You take him. Quick and mobile, big and plodding, strong and athletic, whatever your preference, you take him.

Football games are won on the lines. If you don't believe that. Look no further than our own Dline. When you have better lines, it is easier for you to set the tone. To exert your will so to speak.

Skill position players have their place. Don't get me wrong. And you can draft them at almost any time. But if there is a linemen that fits your scheme sitting there. You... that's right... take him.

Linemen make the engine go. Ergo, they are more important. We were pretty darn good offensively once we got it together. And that was with a poooty line. Imagine that offense with a decent line? Or even, dare we pray, a very good line?

So don't be suprised if we do go for a linemen at 14. Or not.

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Forget protecting Cam, if we're going to win it will be as a RUNNING team, not passing, like the 49ers were. We're not keeping the highest paid RBs in the league to pass first. If we can establish a power running game, Cam will have plenty of time to throw 20-25 times a game. Running wears on a defense, takes the pressure off ours with more time of possession and keeps the ball away in the 4th quarter. The right side of our line will determine our success. FIX IT!!

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Maybe the route the receivers run have something to do with it. Payton and Brady are in a 3-step systems(dink&dunk&YAC). The slot receivers/TEs are the most important. The panthers are a 7-step drop offense where long route running of Smith Steve is crucial. This offense try to take advantage of Cam's strong arm while brad/manning don't have that strong of an arm. How often you see peyton/brady put the ball on a rope? Almost never

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14th. Warmack/ Cooper

44th. Rogers/Hunter/Patton

or

14th. Austin/Patterson/Allen

44th. Warford

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For your 1st question, No.

2nd question. Armanti, Pilares, Gettis,Ginn are the depth chart in some order behind Lafell.

3rd question. If you read my commentary next to each bolded stat I tried to be very objective about it and even conceded some of those stats are skewed because of scheme. Granted after weighing all the info and relying on my memory of watching games I still believe Cam would benefit from another weapon more than he would a new o-lineman and provided many panther specific reasons to back that up.

I also am humble enough and open for discussion to hear other opinion's(read my first sentence in the op) or why else would I share my thoughts on a message board if I didn't want to hear varying opinions?(rhetorical question)

Yes I loyally pay my $26/year to get the most comprehensive stats in the industry. If you follow any NFL writers on twitter they reference PFF often as does ESPN. Personally I don't take everything they say for gold(I constantly point out flaws in their grading system) but I like the access to the stats.

That isn't the WR depth chart....bc all those guys won't be on the team next season

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Anyone that attended games last year will tell you two things.

1. Cam didn't have enough time to throw the football.

2. When he did have time there was usually not an open reciever.

It's a double edged sword both work together. I think WR is the bigger issue as the roster sits at this point. Bell and Amini will continue to get better while I don't think Lafell will ever be a #1 target and we need smitty in the slot to extend his career.

As OP so eloquently pointed out, even when our stellar OLine gave Cam more than enough time to find a reciever, Smitty is too old and inept to get open. Just cut him and move on.

Hey, skewing words and making your own opinions IS more fun. Neato!!!

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Also, OP neglected to include this from the article, which helps explain the numbers-

The best place to start is which quarterback has the longest time to throw. Now to explain what ‘time to throw’ is, we record the time from when the ball is snapped to the point where the quarterback has either thrown a pass or can no longer throw a pass (has been sacked or has scrambled past the line of scrimmage).

A lot of times, Cam was pressured immediately, and his ability to scramble and buy time saved him from being sacked. We gave up 36 sacks-how many would that have been if not for Cam running away from the defense?

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All is good bud,and I am glad you are able to be civil as well...no way I was gonna extend this thread 15 pages beefing like other members do.

Yes, and I know you did some work here. I appreciate it-especially during the offseason.

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