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Who is going Pro? 2013 edition

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[quote name='thatlookseasy' timestamp='1364419272' post='2178350']



So high school guys and Euros.

Though if we are going on stats those high school guys were very productive

College production is the easiest to translate to the NBA, which is why you wont find college guys that were less productive
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Exactly the NBA drafts on potential and when JMM got in the game his freshman year he was productive.

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Last year JMM showed he can be a fantastic all around, post player...

This year he showed he cannot (at least now) put a team on his shoulders and carry them...

I agree with the others here... Last year, top 10... This year, he will be lucky to go in the lottery...

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[quote name='MrTouchdown' timestamp='1364419908' post='2178370']
Yeah lol. Who is this guy? Where has he been all season?

Some guy with a tarheels bumper sticker probably cut him off on I-77 two weeks ago. Now he's suddey a duke fan, lol.

It takes balls though to talk poo on a message board with a picture of your kid for everyone to see.
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Why should I be concerned an angry UNC fan is gonna recognize my son ? lol


As much as I've enjoyed this conversation, i'll have to table it for tomorrow. Leaving the office now.

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If you Duke fans want to derail legitimate threads and throw out insults, please create a different thread for you to do so. I don't care for reading past 2 worthless pages of insults and bandwagoners to get some useful info.

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[quote name='NanceUSMC' timestamp='1364420048' post='2178378']
Last year JMM showed he can be a fantastic all around, post player...

This year he showed he cannot (at least now) put a team on his shoulders and carry them...

I agree with the others here... Last year, top 10... This year, he will be lucky to go in the lottery...
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I agree w/ this 110%. You're a wake guy too, right?

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[quote name='bigcatdaddy' timestamp='1364419998' post='2178373']
Exactly the NBA drafts on potential and [b]when JMM got in the game his freshman year he was productive.[/b]
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Here is the thing- he wasnt.

Everybody remembers the ACC tourney when he stepped in for Henson and looked like a seamless fit on that good team. And thats what all the pro hype was about- he looked really good after finally getting a chance. The problem with that line of thinking is that he got plenty of playing time throughout the season- and was complete garbage for most of it.

But when he made the decision to come back, his stock was still at its peak following his good finish to the year. And since he didnt declare for the draft, scouts never bothered scrutinizing his earlier games. Superficially he looked like a great prospect- big high school player, pro body, athletic, some big games against good teams. But realistically he was a guy who played badly for 90% of the season, is awfully short for an NBA PF, and cant play post defense.

I just think his stock would have dropped as draft time approached

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I'm just gonna leave with this- a month before last years draft everyone would have told you Sullinger and Perry Jones were lottery picks too

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[quote name='MrTouchdown' timestamp='1364341535' post='2176843']
Yeah one more year would certainly do him good. But you gotta look at it like this...next year's draft. [b]Tony Parker [/b]from UCLA, Jabari Parker, Andrew Wiggins, basically the starting 5 from Kentucky, Rodney Purvis, Shane Larkin, etc...that draft is going to be loaded.

This year? not so much lol
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I just had to laugh at this. The rest of the players sure, but Tony too fat and immature to get off the bench Parker? With those names? Come on now. Neither draftexpress or .net have him listed anywhere.

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[quote name='thatlookseasy' timestamp='1364420710' post='2178404']


Here is the thing- he wasnt.

Everybody remembers the ACC tourney when he stepped in for Henson and looked like a seamless fit on that good team. And thats what all the pro hype was about- he looked really good after finally getting a chance. The problem with that line of thinking is that he got plenty of playing time throughout the season- and was complete garbage for most of it.

But when he made the decision to come back, his stock was still at its peak following his good finish to the year. And since he didnt declare for the draft, scouts never bothered scrutinizing his earlier games. Superficially he looked like a great prospect- big high school player, pro body, athletic, some big games against good teams. But realistically he was a guy who played badly for 90% of the season, is awfully short for an NBA PF, and cant play post defense.

I just think his stock would have dropped as draft time approached
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But here's the thing he was good when he started getting more minutes which started with the second Duke game(20+ minutes). From that game until the KU game he averaged 11ppg and shot 60% from the field and that's having to share the ball with Zeller, Henson/Marshall, and Barnes.

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[quote name='MrTouchdown' timestamp='1364420234' post='2178385']
I agree w/ this 110%. You're a wake guy too, right?
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Nah, I'm a Heels fan

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[quote name='bigcatdaddy' timestamp='1364421528' post='2178432']
But here's the thing he was good when he started getting more minutes which started with the second Duke game(20+ minutes). From that game until the KU game he averaged 11ppg and shot 60% from the field and that's having to share the ball with Zeller, Henson/Marshall, and Barnes.
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So he only started playing well after the entire regular season was over. Thats kind of my point, he produced in only a few games even though he was playing ~15 min/ game the entire season. He had a few good games, but when it comes down to draft time you arent going to spend a high pick on a guy without the complete body of work, especially if he doesnt even have prototypical size to play to play his position at the next level.

Well, good teams wouldnt. I suppose its always possible one team could waste a lottery pick on a guy without even scouting him thoroughly

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So he only started playing well after the entire regular season was over. Thats kind of my point, he produced in only a few games even though he was playing ~15 min/ game the entire season. He had a few good games, but when it comes down to draft time you arent going to spend a high pick on a guy without the complete body of work, especially if he doesnt even have prototypical size to play to play his position at the next level.

Well, good teams wouldnt. I suppose its always possible one team could waste a lottery pick on a guy without even scouting him thoroughly
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Dude how many high school players and players from overseas have been drafted in the lottery? Tons and they didn't play a single minute or score a single point in college so like I said the NBA drafts on potential. JMM was the #4 recruit in his class and his strengths were athleticism, versatility, and aggressive scorer so he would have been drafted in the top 15 straight out of high school if it was allowed just on potential.

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