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#25 carpanfan96

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:59 PM

1. They only question Green at not having elite Speed and a thin frame. Nothing about his intelligence and route running. And Bryant was a 20' pick which I would have less problem taking Patterson then.

2. You poo on kiper but will use him when he says something nice about a prospect you like?

3. Mayock also said that because it's so weak at the top of this draft. Pretty much no Franchise QB' s helps him. Only 1 elite CB helps him. No elite RB helps him. No elite skill position players help him be at the top of this draft.

4. So in your mind you have him over Fisher, Johnson, the 2 Guards, Austin ,Allen, over nothing but 1 year numbers good speed a few highlights and potential?

Well everybody got their opinion I guess.




I have him over the guards, yes. Don't take guards in the top 10 no matter what. Yes, I have him over Johnson and Fisher. Austin, Allen.... ext....

I'm not the only one that has him above Austin and Allen, he is the top rated wr and has been since December, his Combine only increased the gap between him and Austin/Allen and moved him up to a top 5-10 prospect. Secondly Johnson and Fisher wouldn't be in top 10 discussion if a few other OL prospect's didn't go back to school. He's played more then one year, but only has one year against top flight competition. Just happened that was in the SEC, which is filled with NFL talent all over the place.


I mentioned the Kiper article earlier but didn't post it because it was Kiper, I said I disregarded the statement because it was from Kiper. You asked for more links so I provided them and it was one that I knew about.


Green had more then question marks about his speed. He had character concern issues, Jump ball concerns, physicality concerns and blocking concerns.





http://www.nfl.com/d...reen?id=2495450

STRENGTHS

Green possesses prototypical height, a wide catch-radius, and very good speed. A true vertical, big play threat. Explodes off the line. Eats up cushions immediately. Doesn't idle down in-and-out of his breaks. Displays the ability to uncover against zone. Can haul in the poorly thrown pass and wins most jump balls. Productive over the middle. Very competitive.
WEAKNESSES

Only possesses adequate bulk. Can be harassed at the line by physical press-man corners with good size. Bigger defensive backs will compete with him for 50-50's. Would like to see more sustained effort and physicality while run blocking. Suspended by NCAA for selling a jersey.







Jones had intelligence question marks galore, plus mental lapse and route running issues as well.

This is from Jones draft weaknesses and strengths.

http://www.nfl.com/d...ones?id=2495454



STRENGTHS


Jones possesses NFL-ideal receiver size. Explodes off the line. Eats up cushions in a hurry. Beats press coverage with his strength and physicality. Can separate vertically and on crossing patterns. Locates soft spots against zone. Shows elite body-control and strong hands on jump balls and poor throws. Can be a load in the open field. Tough and highly-competitive. Good blocker.

WEAKNESSES

Will drop the routine pass on occasion and body catches at times. Was able to consistently separate in college but still developing as a route-runner. Needs to do a better job setting up defenders and getting out of breaks. Willing to go over the middle but needs to show more consistency catching in traffic.




Those issues sure do look familar......... lol




Just to remind you here's Patterson's.




STRENGTHS
Easily separates on vertical routes when given a free release. Very few wasted steps on cuts. Very smooth in his breaks. Finds soft areas in zone coverage between corners and safeties. Looks to turn upfield immediately after the catch. Very good with slants, quick head fake out allows for inside release, strong step forward, body catches to prevent pass breakup while shielding corner. Flashes swiping inside arm bar away on back shoulder throws to allow for free turn. Frequently hauls in the difficult catches, especially when the defensive back is draped on him. Not afraid to hand fight all the way along the sideline on vertical routes to create a sliver of separation. Understands hot read recognition when the corner blitzes. Builds speed quickly after the catch, almost gliding when in stride. Good vision with the ball in his hands, cuts upfield when he sees a lane. Used occasionally at running back, has the speed and wiggle to beat defenders to the edge while utilizing hesitations moves. Very nimble on his feet, especially for size. Makes plays out of nothing when carrying the ball. Numerous natural qualities to his game.

WEAKNESSES
Consistently a body catcher, even when it is not necessary. Was not frequently asked to go up and get the football at its highest point. Large number of his snaps start while off the line of scrimmage, allows for a better release. Doesn't use his hands enough against a jam, tries to dip or side step rather than slap or push. Tends to throttle down in his breaks.Burst after the catch or return is only adequate but does accelerate quickly. Tries to do too much when the ball is in his hands at times. Dropped a few very catchable balls, including easy bucket throw over shoulder. Inconsistent blocking effort.


So, let's see

Jones and Patterson both had route running and catching concerns. While Jones had toughness concerns with going over the middle and Patterson has some question marks about his release against press coverage.


While Green and Patterson have some jump ball concerns, Patterson has some catching concerns and they both have question marks about release against more physical DB's. Green has some concerns about his size and strength in regards to his body build.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:34 PM

Any way none of this matters now with the new Gross deal. Now gotta figure out how to get Carolina into the top 10 for a LT prospect. lmao...

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:00 PM

I have him over the guards, yes. Don't take guards in the top 10 no matter what. Yes, I have him over Johnson and Fisher. Austin, Allen.... ext....

I'm not the only one that has him above Austin and Allen, he is the top rated wr and has been since December, his Combine only increased the gap between him and Austin/Allen and moved him up to a top 5-10 prospect. Secondly Johnson and Fisher wouldn't be in top 10 discussion if a few other OL prospect's didn't go back to school. He's played more then one year, but only has one year against top flight competition. Just happened that was in the SEC, which is filled with NFL talent all over the place.


I mentioned the Kiper article earlier but didn't post it because it was Kiper, I said I disregarded the statement because it was from Kiper. You asked for more links so I provided them and it was one that I knew about.


Green had more then question marks about his speed. He had character concern issues, Jump ball concerns, physicality concerns and blocking concerns.





http://www.nfl.com/d...reen?id=2495450
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Jones had intelligence question marks galore, plus mental lapse and route running issues as well.

This is from Jones draft weaknesses and strengths.

http://www.nfl.com/d...ones?id=2495454



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Those issues sure do look familar......... lol




Just to remind you here's Patterson's.




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So, let's see

Jones and Patterson both had route running and catching concerns. While Jones had toughness concerns with going over the middle and Patterson has some question marks about his release against press coverage.


While Green and Patterson have some jump ball concerns, Patterson has some catching concerns and they both have question marks about release against more physical DB's. Green has some concerns about his size and strength in regards to his body build.


1. I said that's your opinion. I don't want to take a guard that high either but have them both as better prospect because they both have less question and less Bust potential then Patterson. As does Fisher, Johnson, Austin and Allen.

2.You're not the only person that has as the #1 WR. But don't act like it's a consensus among all Scouts that he is the best WR in this draft. It's not.

3. You said they Question Green and Jones route running and intelligence. Which they didn't. They only question Green body frame (like I said) and Jones had some question about drops but his route running wasn't as bad as Patterson. Plus they said Occasional body catcher for Jones and Consistently for Patterson. 2 different words with 2 different meanings. You are missing the small details in the wording which is different in all of their analysis.

4. Since you think Jones is the same prospect as Patterson. Are you willing to trade 5 picks for him? It shouldn't be that hard if you are sure your getting Julio.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:01 PM

Any way none of this matters now with the new Gross deal. Now gotta figure out how to get Carolina into the top 10 for a LT prospect. lmao...

i think Terron could come in start, and there are several mid round prospects who could develop into starting LT in this draft.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:08 PM

KK you need to go back and read that again...


Jones weaknesses from pre draft.


Will drop the routine pass on occasion and body catches at times. Was able to consistently separate in college but still developing as a route-runner. Needs to do a better job setting up defenders and getting out of breaks. Willing to go over the middle but needs to show more consistency catching in traffic.


Add that after the combine, Jones blew the wonderlic test horribly and wasn't that great in interviews either.



Atlanta was just desperate for a deep threat.

Also I just posted the information so you could see that both Green and Jones had serious question marks about them. The Jones and a playbook issue was found out in the combine after he flunked the wonderlic test with one of the lowest scores of all time.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:09 PM

i think Terron could come in start, and there are several mid round prospects who could develop into starting LT in this draft.



I was just exaggerating, lol. I'll be changing my second round pick to an OT though on my second mock.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:15 PM

I was just exaggerating, lol. I'll be changing my second round pick to an OT though on my second mock.

no matter what you prove thru facts, scouting reports etc. KKL will not accept CP as one of the top WR prospects.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:17 PM

no matter what you prove thru facts, scouting reports etc. KKL will not accept CP as one of the top WR prospects.



I've figured that one out, I'm just having fun because I've been home the last few days with an infection and fever.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

get well dude.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:33 PM

no matter what you prove thru facts, scouting reports etc. KKL will not accept CP as one of the top WR prospects.


Just like I didn't with Hill last year and you. Which I was proven right.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:37 PM

no matter what you prove thru facts, scouting reports etc. KKL will not accept CP as one of the top WR prospects.


You know what's funny is you don't think he is in the same class as Green and Jones.

How many times have you asked " Why does a WR have to be a AJ Green, Megatron , Type to be drafted in the 1st round"?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:37 PM

Hill was never considered the top WR, keep reaching tho. and i never said he was in the same level as Green and Jones. anything else you would like to add as my mouth piece?