1. They only question Green at not having elite Speed and a thin frame. Nothing about his intelligence and route running. And Bryant was a 20' pick which I would have less problem taking Patterson then.
2. You poo on kiper but will use him when he says something nice about a prospect you like?
3. Mayock also said that because it's so weak at the top of this draft. Pretty much no Franchise QB' s helps him. Only 1 elite CB helps him. No elite RB helps him. No elite skill position players help him be at the top of this draft.
4. So in your mind you have him over Fisher, Johnson, the 2 Guards, Austin ,Allen, over nothing but 1 year numbers good speed a few highlights and potential?
Well everybody got their opinion I guess.
I have him over the guards, yes. Don't take guards in the top 10 no matter what. Yes, I have him over Johnson and Fisher. Austin, Allen.... ext....
I'm not the only one that has him above Austin and Allen, he is the top rated wr and has been since December, his Combine only increased the gap between him and Austin/Allen and moved him up to a top 5-10 prospect. Secondly Johnson and Fisher wouldn't be in top 10 discussion if a few other OL prospect's didn't go back to school. He's played more then one year, but only has one year against top flight competition. Just happened that was in the SEC, which is filled with NFL talent all over the place.
I mentioned the Kiper article earlier but didn't post it because it was Kiper, I said I disregarded the statement because it was from Kiper. You asked for more links so I provided them and it was one that I knew about.
Green had more then question marks about his speed. He had character concern issues, Jump ball concerns, physicality concerns and blocking concerns.
Green possesses prototypical height, a wide catch-radius, and very good speed. A true vertical, big play threat. Explodes off the line. Eats up cushions immediately. Doesn't idle down in-and-out of his breaks. Displays the ability to uncover against zone. Can haul in the poorly thrown pass and wins most jump balls. Productive over the middle. Very competitive.
Only possesses adequate bulk. Can be harassed at the line by physical press-man corners with good size. Bigger defensive backs will compete with him for 50-50's. Would like to see more sustained effort and physicality while run blocking. Suspended by NCAA for selling a jersey.
Jones had intelligence question marks galore, plus mental lapse and route running issues as well.
This is from Jones draft weaknesses and strengths.
Jones possesses NFL-ideal receiver size. Explodes off the line. Eats up cushions in a hurry. Beats press coverage with his strength and physicality. Can separate vertically and on crossing patterns. Locates soft spots against zone. Shows elite body-control and strong hands on jump balls and poor throws. Can be a load in the open field. Tough and highly-competitive. Good blocker.
Will drop the routine pass on occasion and body catches at times. Was able to consistently separate in college but still developing as a route-runner. Needs to do a better job setting up defenders and getting out of breaks. Willing to go over the middle but needs to show more consistency catching in traffic.
Those issues sure do look familar......... lol
Just to remind you here's Patterson's.
Easily separates on vertical routes when given a free release. Very few wasted steps on cuts. Very smooth in his breaks. Finds soft areas in zone coverage between corners and safeties. Looks to turn upfield immediately after the catch. Very good with slants, quick head fake out allows for inside release, strong step forward, body catches to prevent pass breakup while shielding corner. Flashes swiping inside arm bar away on back shoulder throws to allow for free turn. Frequently hauls in the difficult catches, especially when the defensive back is draped on him. Not afraid to hand fight all the way along the sideline on vertical routes to create a sliver of separation. Understands hot read recognition when the corner blitzes. Builds speed quickly after the catch, almost gliding when in stride. Good vision with the ball in his hands, cuts upfield when he sees a lane. Used occasionally at running back, has the speed and wiggle to beat defenders to the edge while utilizing hesitations moves. Very nimble on his feet, especially for size. Makes plays out of nothing when carrying the ball. Numerous natural qualities to his game.
Consistently a body catcher, even when it is not necessary. Was not frequently asked to go up and get the football at its highest point. Large number of his snaps start while off the line of scrimmage, allows for a better release. Doesn't use his hands enough against a jam, tries to dip or side step rather than slap or push. Tends to throttle down in his breaks.Burst after the catch or return is only adequate but does accelerate quickly. Tries to do too much when the ball is in his hands at times. Dropped a few very catchable balls, including easy bucket throw over shoulder. Inconsistent blocking effort.
So, let's see
Jones and Patterson both had route running and catching concerns. While Jones had toughness concerns with going over the middle and Patterson has some question marks about his release against press coverage.
While Green and Patterson have some jump ball concerns, Patterson has some catching concerns and they both have question marks about release against more physical DB's. Green has some concerns about his size and strength in regards to his body build.