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#1 carolina-chuck

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:27 PM

OFFENSIVE TACKLES DON'T WIN YOU GAMES!

Defense and PLAYMAKERS do!!!


Offensive tackles who were taken in the 1st round in the past 7 years (I'm only going that far).

2012: Matt Kalil no.4 (Minnesota's record: 10-6, Wildcard), Riley Reiff no.23 (Detriot's record: 4-12)

2011: Tyron Smith no.9 (Dallas' record: 8-8), Nate Solder no.17 (New England's record: 13-3, SB appearance), Anthony Castonzo no.22 (Indy's record: 2-14), James Carpenter no.25 (Seattle's record: 7-9), Gabe Carimi no.29 (Chicago's record: 8-8), Derek Sherrod no.32 (GB's record: 15-1, Divsional)

2010: Trent Williams no.4 (Wash's recrod: 6-10), Russell Okung no.6 (Seattle's record: 7-9, Divisional), Anthony Davis no.11 (SF's record: 6-10), Bryan Bulaga no.23 (GB's record: 10-6, SB Champion)

2009: Jason Smith no.2 (StL's record: 1-15), Andre Smith no.6 (Cincy's record: 10-6, Wildcard), Eugene Monroe no.8 (Jags' record: 7-9), Michael Oher no. 23 (Balt's record: 9-7, Dvisional)

2008: Jake Long no.1 (Mia's record: 11-5, Wildcard), Ryan Clady no.12 (Denver's record: 8-8), Branden Albert no.15 (KC's record: 2-14), Gosder Cherilus no.17 (Detriot's record: 0-16), Jeff Otah no.19 (Caolina's record: 12-4, Divsional), Sam Baker no.21 (Atl's record: 11-5, Wildcard), Duane Brown no.26 (Houston's record: 8-8)

2007: Joe Thomas no.1 (Browns' record: 10-6), Levi Brown no.5 (Cardinals' record: 8-8), Joe Staley no. 28 (SF's record: 5-11)

2006: D'Brickashaw Ferguson no.4 (Jets' record: 10-6, Wildcard)

2005: Jammal Brown no.13 (Wash's record: 10-6, Divisional), Alex Barron no.19 (St.L's record: 6-10)

Notes: In the past 7 NFL Drafts, 29 Offensive Tackles were taken in the 1st round. Twelve of the 29 OTs had winning records in their rookie year. Twelve of the 29 OTs made the Playoffs in their first season. (Joe Thomas 10-6 didnt make the Playoffs / Russell Okung 7-9 made the Playoffs)

Previous 7 years Super Bowl Champions:

2013: Baltimore Ravens
LT: Bryant McKinnie (1st Rounder) FA addition
LG: Kelechi Osemele (2nd Rounder)
C: Matt Birk (6th Rounder) FA addition
RG: Marshal Yanda (3rd Rounder)
RT: Michael Oher (1st Rounder) *****

2012: New York Giants
LT: David Diehl (5th Rounder)
LG: Kevin Boothe (6th Rounder) FA addition
C: David Baas (2nd Rounder) FA addition
RG: Chris Snee Chris Snee (2nd Rounder)
RT: Kareem McKenzie (3rd Rounder) FA addition

2011: Green Bay Packers
LT: Chad Clifton (2nd Rounder)
LG: Daryn Colledge (2nd Rounder)
C: Scott Wells (7th Rounder)
RG: Josh Sitton 4th Rounder)
RT: Bryan Bulaga (1st Rounder) *****

2010: New Orleans Saints
LT: Jermon Bushrod (4th Rounder)
LG: Carl Nicks (5th Rounder)
C: Jonathan Goodwin (5th Rounder) FA addition
RG: Jahri Evans (4th Rounder)
RT: Jon Stinchcomb (2nd Rounder)

2009: Pittsburgh Steelers
LT: Max Starks (3rd Rounder)
LG: Chris Kemoeatu (6th Rounder)
C: Justin Hartwig (6th Rounder) FA addition
RG: Darnell Stapleton (undrafted)
RT: Willie Colon (4th Rounder)

2008: New York Giants
LT: David Diehl (5th Rounder)
LG: Rich Seubert (undrafted)
C: Shaun O'Hara (undrafted) FA addition
RG: Chris Snee (2nd Rounder)
RT: Kareem McKenzie (3rd Rounder) FA addition

2007: Indianapolis Colts
LT: Tarik Glenn (1st Rounder) *****
LG: Ryan Lilja (undrafted)
C: Jeff Saturday (undrafted)
RG: Jake Scott (5th Rounder)
RT: Ryan Diem (4th Rounder)

Notes:
Out of the previous 7 years Super Bowl Champions, "only" three "OTs" were taken by their team as 1st rounders (Glenn, Bulaga, and Oher). Two (Bulaga and Oher) of the three are "RTs". Only Glenn was a LT.


Conclusion: At the end of the day, we're better off grooming later round guys of our owns, and going the FA route for veterans O-linemen. Knowing Accorsi and Reese, Gettleman should stay true to his NY Philosophy.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:36 PM

You can't be serious,Chuck..

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:39 PM

So if one of the top 3 OT's in this draft is sitting there at 14, you would pass on him?

Moot point cause they will probably all be gone by 14.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:41 PM

If one of the top 3 OTs fell to us we'd be foolish not to take him, barring some kind of nice trade up offer from some other team.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:41 PM

My argument against not taking an OT at #14 is that it's highly likely there isn't an OT worth taking at #14. The top 3 OTs in the draft very well could be gone at that point.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:44 PM

I doubt all three will be gone. There are going to be some other guys go sooner that aren't supposed to.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:45 PM

Yeah, you sold me on that. (LOL) Here is something for you, all of those LT's are very good players. You need good O-lineman to win games whether anyone wants to admit it or not. I don't care where we pick the lineman but we need 1 or 2 starters on it for the future. LT and RG

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:47 PM

So if one of the top 3 OT's in this draft is sitting there at 14, you would pass on him?

Moot point cause they will probably all be gone by 14.


The only one that may fall to us would be Lane Johnson. And yes, I would pass on him or trade down. Im not a fan of Lane like many others.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:51 PM

Yeah, you sold me on that. (LOL) Here is something for you, all of those LT's are very good players. You need good O-lineman to win games whether anyone wants to admit it or not. I don't care where we pick the lineman but we need 1 or 2 starters on it for the future. LT and RG


You have to have a defense as close to great as you can, and on offense you have to have playmakers (TD SCORER GUYS). No OL is going to score points for you.

Why did the Ravens win the SB or even get in the SB??? Guys like Flacco, Boldin and Jacoby Jones.

Why did SF end up in the SB?? Kaepernick!

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:51 PM

I think Gettleman has been clear about his philosophy. Fill need through FA, so you can go BPA in the draft. If a tackle is BPA, then that's who we're drafting. Honestly the only positions that are untouchable BPA wise are QB and maybe LB.

Granted we don't know how Gettleman values specific positions yet, so he could very well think tackles are overvalued in general, but I doubt it.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:53 PM

You can't be serious,Chuck..


Oh, I'm serious.
Someone please tell me why Joe Thomas, the best LT in the league the past 6years still hasn't get the chance to sniff the Playoffs once. Ain't no Franchise LT going to win you a damn SB.

-NY won it bc of guys like Plax, Cruz, and Nicks
-GB with Nelson and Jennings
-Indy with Manning and Wayne
-Pittsburgh with Holmes
-Baltimore with Jones, Boldin, and Pitta

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:54 PM

I REALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DRAFT A PUNTER AT 14, BUT I HAVE MY CASE FOR A KICKER, AND TYPING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. fug IT, DRAFT A LONG SNAPPER AT 14.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:59 PM

The only one that may fall to us would be Lane Johnson. And yes, I would pass on him or trade down. Im not a fan of Lane like many others.


Mayock said Johnson has the highest potential of the big 3 because of his athleticism. If Johnson is there we take him.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:02 PM

Mayock said Johnson has the highest potential of the big 3 because of his athleticism. If Johnson is there we take him.


I have heard that.
But IMO, I would not take him. If he's there, we'd be in a great situation to use him to trade down.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

You have to have a defense as close to great as you can, and on offense you have to have playmakers (TD SCORER GUYS). No OL is going to score points for you.

Why did the Ravens win the SB or even get in the SB??? Guys like Flacco, Boldin and Jacoby Jones.

Why did SF end up in the SB?? Kaepernick!


B-more had two former 1st rounders at the tackles and a damn good center in Birk and Yanda at RG whom is very good.

The 9ers had Staley, Iupati, and the kid from Rutgers at RT. A VERY good oline.


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