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My case to why we should not take an OT at 14

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[quote name='Ken' timestamp='1364355617' post='2177271']
Teh heck? Football is a team sport with many moving parts that all need to work in harmony to work well. Of course some parts are more important but you need each part to work together to function properly.

Think of the team as the human body. The brain is vital but if another part like the lungs is faulty that's a huge problem.

So my point is, all the pieces of the team are needed in order to win. So if you have the chance to improve the O-line you do it, whether that is at 14 or in FA...
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I know. It's just like Durkiem's functionalist theory. How social order is possible or how society remains relatively stable. Functionalism interprets each part of society in terms of how it contributes to the stability of the whole society.

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[quote name='carpanfan96' timestamp='1364355727' post='2177273']


This is from 2009 - to now.

Positive results for both team and WR.

Atlanta - successful with Jones
Cincinnati - fairly successful with Green
Denver - Successful with Thomas
Dallas - Dez Bryant has been successful - team has been average.
SF - Crabtree and the 49ers have been successful
Vikings - Harvin and the vikings were off and on, but fairly successful with some play off berths.
NYG - Nicks and the Giants have been very successful
Eagles - Maclin and the eagles have had some early success.


Mixed bag
Tenn - Has two players in that time in Britt and Wright, one had a good season and then.... other too early to tell.

Negative

Arizona - not so much - Floyd
Jacksonville - not so much - Blackmon
Raiders - DHB - ouches times two.


Inconclusive -
SF - AJ jenkings didn't get a ton of opps. Last years draft.

I counted 6 good OT's during that span from 2009 with two being too early to tell from last year. So this is a possibility of 7 if not 8 starting NFL caliber LT or RT's from the past 4 drafts. 9 positive WR's with 8 teams being successful and having playoff berths Of the teams that drafted OT during the first 5 have been successful.


So WR's have more of an impact on teams then either a LT or RT via the draft over the past 4 drafts.
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I would also say that you have to consider that WR is a tougher and longer position to learn and develop than an OT.

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[quote name='carpanfan96' timestamp='1364355727' post='2177273']
This is from 2009 - to now.

Positive results for both team and WR.

Atlanta - successful with Jones
Cincinnati - fairly successful with Green
Denver - Successful with Thomas
Dallas - Dez Bryant has been successful - team has been average.
SF - Crabtree and the 49ers have been successful
Vikings - Harvin and the vikings were off and on, but fairly successful with some play off berths.
NYG - Nicks and the Giants have been very successful
Eagles - Maclin and the eagles have had some early success.


Mixed bag
Tenn - Has two players in that time in Britt and Wright, one had a good season and then.... other too early to tell.

Negative

Arizona - not so much - Floyd
Jacksonville - not so much - Blackmon
Raiders - DHB - ouches times two.


Inconclusive -
SF - AJ jenkings didn't get a ton of opps. Last years draft.

I counted 6 good OT's during that span from 2009 with two being too early to tell from last year. So this is a possibility of 7 if not 8 starting NFL caliber LT or RT's from the past 4 drafts. 9 positive WR's with 8 teams being successful and having playoff berths Of the teams that drafted OT during the first 5 have been successful.


So WR's have more of an impact on teams then either a LT or RT via the draft over the past 4 drafts.
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Are we talking about the first year or over their careers?

Some of this impact and success you say happen. Was due to other factors not the WR.

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[quote name='C47' timestamp='1364355655' post='2177272']
Ask and you shall receive....

2003
Detroit: 5-11 Joey Harrington
Houston: 5-11 David Carr/Tony Banks
Arizona: 4-12: Jeff Blake/Josh McCown

2004
Arizona: 6-10 Josh McCown
Detroit: 6-10 Joey Harrington
[b]Jacksonville: 9-7 Byron Leftwich
Buffalo: 9-7 Drew Bledsoe[/b]
Tampa: 5-11 Brian Greise/Brad Johnson
[b]Atlanta: 11-5 Michael Vick/Matt Schaubb[/b]
SF: 2-14 Tim Rattay/Ken Dorsey

2005
Cleveland: 6-10 Trent Dilfer/Charlie Frye
[b]Minnesota: 9-7 Brad Johnson/Daunte Culpepper[/b]
Detroit: 5-11 Joey Harrington/Jeff Garcia
[b]Jacksonville: 12-4 Byron Leftwich/David Garrad[/b]
Baltimore: 6-10 Kyle Boller/Anthony Wright
[b]Atlanta: 8-8 Michael Vick[/b]

2006
[b]Pittsburgh: 8-8 Big Ben[/b]

2007
Detroit: 7-9 Jon Kitna
Miami: 1-15 Cleo Lemmon/Trent Green/John Beck
KC: 4-12 Damon Huard/Brodie Croyle
New Orleans: 7-9 Brees
[b]San Diego: 11-5 Rivers
Indy: 13-3 Manning[/b]

2008
None taken in first

2009
Oakland: 5-11 Russell/Bruce Gradkowski/Charlie Frye
[b]SF: 8-8 Alex Smith/Shaun Hill
PHI: 11-5 McRibb/Kevin Kolb
MN: 12-4 Favre
NYG: 8-8 Manning
TN: 8-8 Vince Young/Kerry Collins[/b]

2010
Denver: 4-12 Kyle Orton/Tim Tebow
Dallas: 6-10 Jon Kitna/Tony Romo

2011
[b]Cinci: 9-7 Dalton
Atlanta: 10-6 Ryan[/b]
KC: 7-9 Matt Cassel/Tyler Palko/Kyle Orton

2012
Jacksonville: 2-14 Chad Henne/Blaine Gabbart
Arizona: 5-11 John Skelton/Kevin Kolb/Ryan Lindley
TN: 6-10 Jake Locker/Matt Hasselbeck
[b]SF: 11-4 Alex Smith/Colin Kaepernick[/b]


Again, we're looking at this in a bit of a vacuum, ignoring factors like who was the QB, if the drafted player played significant snaps (see 2012 SF) etc.....

EDIT: Added the Quarterbacks because I feel it gives a better representation.....
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Quoting this because I added the Quarterbacks playing significant snaps in so you can see that the best teams had at least "good" QB play....

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[quote name='C47' timestamp='1364356964' post='2177311']
Quoting this because I added the Quarterbacks playing significant snaps in so you can see that the best teams had at least "good" QB play....
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I know this is a lot to ask but what were the stats of some of those 1st round WR so we can see their impact on their teams.

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KKL is still in my post. Hmmm, thought he created two posts saying he didn't give a rat :/

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1364355743' post='2177274']
The only OL I wouldn't be mad at 14 would be Warmack and Cooper.
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No way. I think both are very good prospects, but #14 is just too high for an OG.

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1364358029' post='2177338']
KKL is still in my post. Hmmm, thought he created two posts saying he didn't give a rat :/
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I like how you get defensive when people don't agree with you.

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[quote name='LinvilleGorge' timestamp='1364358089' post='2177341']


No way. I think both are very good prospects, but #14 is just too high for an OG.
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14 is too high for a mauler in Warmack? Whoa, you're insane. We'd be lucky if Warmack is still there at 14.

Cooper, it depends how high you have him on your board. I have seen someone on NFL network last week who had him going before Warmack to Tennessee, bc he's more athletic than Warmack and can play all three interior OLINE positions.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1364358133' post='2177342']


I like how you get defensive when people don't agree with you.
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Hahaha what? Really ?
I think 95% of the members on here would say that exact quote you just said to you. Wow! I'm going to sleep buddy

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I like how you get defensive when people don't agree with you.
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Gif approved

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1364358507' post='2177353']
Hahaha what? Really ?
I think 95% of the members on here would say that exact quote you just said to you. Wow! I'm going to sleep buddy
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Really Chuck?? Do you honestly think you're the voice of the people???

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