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#31 carolina-chuck

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:42 PM

So you would have passed on Gross at #8?


I wouldn't have. In those days it was a run heavy league. RT was a need in 2003. OT isn't a huge need in 2013.

If we were redoing the 2003 Draft next month based on our needs today, at no.8 I would have to pass on Gross for Kevin Williams or Troy.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:42 PM

The point is, it doesn't matter how great a franchise LT or OT in general you have. If you don't have people who can score points for you, you're not going to win a lot of games.


There are Wide Receivers who can play that will be available with our second round pick. If Lane Johnson was on the board it would be asinine to pass him up barring some ridiculous trade down or a guy like Star/Milliner on the board as well....

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:44 PM

I wouldn't have. In those days it was a run heavy league.


You're not gonna have much success in a pass heavy offense when your QB is flat on his back looking out of his helmet's ear hole having trouble remembering his own name after being sacked for the 6th time that game.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:45 PM

There are Wide Receivers who can play that will be available with our second round pick. If Lane Johnson was on the board it would be asinine to pass him up barring some ridiculous trade down or a guy like Star/Milliner on the board as well....


I would clearly use Lane as a bait to trade down. I would not take him at all, just me personally.

Now, if a Star or Milliner were to be there we'd be stupid to pass on them. Theyre "needs".

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:48 PM

You're not gonna have much success in a pass heavy offense when your QB is flat on his back looking out of his helmet's ear hole having trouble remembering his own name after being sacked for the 6th time that game.


If your whole reason to why we should take a Lane Johnson at 14 is to move Bell at RG and Gross to LT, please stop now. I think Rivera have made it clear that Bell will be a RT.

Like many other times, the only way I would not be oppose to take an OT in the 1st is if we parted ways with Gross. When OT actually becomes a NEED.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:49 PM

I would clearly use Lane as a bait to trade down. I would not take him at all, just me personally.

Now, if a Star or Milliner were to be there we'd be stupid to pass on them. Theyre "needs".


So just because it's not an immediate need (but will be within the next year or two) it's not worth addressing? I just don't buy that. Outside of Star or Milliner, Lane Johnson would be the BPA on our big board if he was there at 14. He's a legitimate top five to seven pick for a reason. I hope it would take a pretty big trade offer to move out of the spot if he was there. LT is a premium position, and the players are paid that way for a reason....

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

So just because it's not an immediate need (but will be within the next year or two) it's not worth addressing? I just don't buy that. Outside of Star or Milliner, Lane Johnson would be the BPA on our big board if he was there at 14. He's a legitimate top five to seven pick for a reason. I hope it would take a pretty big trade offer to move out of the spot if he was there. LT is a premium position, and the players are paid that way for a reason....


Why would you take a position now when it's not a need today? It certainly will probably be the biggest or 2nd biggest need going into next year draft, but it's not even a Top5 need today. Especially, when that position (OT) is a position that comes out every single year. Next year will be just as packed again with Matthews, Lewan, etc.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

Why would you take a position now when it's not a need today? It certainly will probably be the biggest or 2nd biggest need going into next year draft. But it's not even a Top5 need today. Especially, when that position (OT) is a position where it comes out every single year. And next year will be just as packed again with Matthews, Lewan, etc.


You don't build an elite team by drafting based on your needs. Your best talent comes from the draft so you want the best players at your pick. Obviously we're not going to look at a RB, LB or QB in the first because we have a surplus of good players, but every other position could (and should) be on the board...

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:04 PM

I think this sums up this thread.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:05 PM

If your whole reason to why we should take a Lane Johnson at 14 is to move Bell at RG and Gross to LT, please stop now. I think Rivera have made it clear that Bell will be a RT.

Like many other times, the only way I would not be oppose to take an OT in the 1st is if we parted ways with Gross. When OT actually becomes a NEED.


I think Gettleman has made it clear that he's not hitching his wagon too tightly to Ron Rivera, so I don't think his opinion matters much right now.

If Johnson was there, I'd take him and if he looked good in camp I'd send Gross packing. Sorry, it's just business and Gross is eating up a ton of our cap room.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

You don't build an elite team by drafting based on your needs. Your best talent comes from the draft so you want the best players at your pick. Obviously we're not going to look at a RB, LB or QB in the first because we have a surplus of good players, but every other position could (and should) be on the board...


That doesn't make sense what you just said.
If we were picking based on BPA, we could go with a Jarvis Jones or Ansah than Lane. DE and OLB is just a need an OT. What would happen to Hardy? What if TD and Beason doesn't come back healthy?

Trust me, we're picking BPA. But, BPA at our "needs".

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

I think Gettleman has made it clear that he's not hitching his wagon too tightly to Ron Rivera, so I don't think his opinion matters much right now.

If Johnson was there, I'd take him and if he looked good in camp I'd send Gross packing. Sorry, it's just business and Gross is eating up a ton of our cap room.


And that is how you build a winning football team.....

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:07 PM

I wouldn't have. In those days it was a run heavy league. RT was a need in 2003. OT isn't a huge need in 2013.

If we were redoing the 2003 Draft next month based on our needs today, at no.8 I would have to pass on Gross for Kevin Williams or Troy.


Really genius??

You forget we had Jenkins Buckner Moorehead and Burton (pig farmer) backing them up and you would have drafted a DT???

Yep your opinion should be taking seriously.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:08 PM

I think Gettleman has made it clear that he's not hitching his wagon too tightly to Ron Rivera, so I don't think his opinion matters much right now.

If Johnson was there, I'd take him and if he looked good in camp I'd send Gross packing. Sorry, it's just business and Gross is eating up a ton of our cap room.


That, I can't disagree


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