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#76 Who Said What?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:28 PM

Never said he was 89.
And again, there it goes. People comparing Tavon to 89 bc both blacks and 5footer.


I really like how I said that you compared him to Steve cause I was almost certain I didn't. I used to be like you though, hell bent on drafting a player no one wanted. You should have seen how they did me on a board when I wanted Julius Peppers. Peppers did actually warrant a top 15 pick though.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:42 PM

I really like how I said that you compared him to Steve cause I was almost certain I didn't. I used to be like you though, hell bent on drafting a player no one wanted. You should have seen how they did me on a board when I wanted Julius Peppers. Peppers did actually warrant a top 15 pick though.


I'm not trying to be an outcast by wanting to draft Tavon at 14. You do know that there are many, many more huddlers on here crying for Tavon just like me? Im not the only one.

And Im glad you strucked gold on Peppers.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:24 AM

There is a reason one is a projected Top 15 pick and the other was a reach in the 4th round. Spoiler alert: scouts don't make decisions based on highlight reels. They watch full game footage. Another spoiler alert: NFL scouts are paid for a reason.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

I haven't read past page 3, but I just wanted to point out that ProSource made a comment about Tavon's 72 carries...

This alone describes how clueless you are about Tavon Austin. He's a CONVERTED RB. Pointing out his seemingly high carries for a WR to justify your argument when he had some SOLID WR numbers (better than anything Smitty did in college (not comparing the two, mind you... just an example)) is nothing more than a confirmation bias.

Returns not included, over the 4 year college career that Austin had, he averaged almost 11 yards whenever he touched the ball. He posted over 100 catches and 1200 yards receiving each of his last two years. This is also in an offense that had the pieces that are similar to what the Panthers offense has.

Austin wasn't even their main guy... the offense was pretty balanced over his career.

If you don't want an offensive weapon for your offense... go ahead and overlook him...

If you want an offensive weapon, there is a proven one for the taking in this draft.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:42 PM

I haven't read past page 3, but I just wanted to point out that ProSource made a comment about Tavon's 72 carries...

This alone describes how clueless you are about Tavon Austin. He's a CONVERTED RB. Pointing out his seemingly high carries for a WR to justify your argument when he had some SOLID WR numbers (better than anything Smitty did in college (not comparing the two, mind you... just an example)) is nothing more than a confirmation bias.

Returns not included, over the 4 year college career that Austin had, he averaged almost 11 yards whenever he touched the ball. He posted over 100 catches and 1200 yards receiving each of his last two years. This is also in an offense that had the pieces that are similar to what the Panthers offense has.

Austin wasn't even their main guy... the offense was pretty balanced over his career.

If you don't want an offensive weapon for your offense... go ahead and overlook him...

If you want an offensive weapon, there is a proven one for the taking in this draft.

well said.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

I'm not gonna lie... I'm probably the biggest Tavon Austin homer on these forums... I love the guy...

Yeah, 14 may seem a little high for him by most standards... even for me... But I think rolling the dice pays off sometimes, and I think Tavon is pretty much rolling leaded dice...

Sure, the Huddle would probably melt down... But I'd be one happy dude if Tavon Austin was a Panther...

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:56 PM

I'm not gonna lie... I'm probably the biggest Tavon Austin homer on these forums... I love the guy...

Yeah, 14 may seem a little high for him by most standards... even for me... But I think rolling the dice pays off sometimes, and I think Tavon is pretty much rolling leaded dice...

Sure, the Huddle would probably melt down... But I'd be one happy dude if Tavon Austin was a Panther...

totally agreed.

i don't really have any one bandwagon i'm on or think there's any "WE MUST PICK" type guys that we fail if we pass up. i do think the direction we're going, tho, is WR. if not the first then the second. i think they'd be happy if austin fell to them but as i've said before, i think the WR that we end up with is allen. just a feeling more than anything.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

Tavon Austin is pretty amazing but I don't see how you guys think he's going to be so great for us. We need a future #1 WR and in my personal opinion we need one now. Austin is 5"8, and before you guys say Steve Smith, just realize that there has literally never been a player like Steve Smith. We can't assume that Austin is going to be able to play like him, to be able to beat double teams and carry an offense. We need a guy with great size and speed who you can be a reliable target, a redzone threat, and a deep threat.

We also just signed Ted Ginn. I think the better draft would be to take Richardson in the 1st and Justin Hunter in the 2nd.
Though I do really like Patterson I share the doubts people have for him.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:09 PM

The "we can get a WR late" argument (i.e. the Welker/Cruz argument) would be a wonderful one to make provided this team hadn't proven over and over (and over.. and over) that it was fundamentally retarded when it comes to scouting and drafting WR talent. LaFell is the best we've done since drafting Steve Smith 12 years ago, which is pathetic. We've shown to be unable to do anything from the 2nd round down, so we'll probably need to just target a guy in the 1st with enough natural talent that it's almost a no-brainer.

To recap, we have Steve Smith who is still pretty good but is slowing down, losing some of that vert and relies more and more on trying to beat the crap out of CBs. Then Brandon LaFell who would be a decent #3 on most teams. After that, you've got a message board hero who hasn't played since 2010 and has never actually played with our franchise QB, a slow PR/KR who can't actually catch the football, Pilares who rarely seems to push his way into a game and doesn't look all that impressive when he does, and some dude named Bryant on the practice squad.

Edit: I forgot Ted Ginn. The guy who hasn't been able to play WR since he arrived in the league.

The position needs an influx of talent. Everyone preaches depth at other positions, what happens if Smith goes down for a significant amount of time? Everyone cool with lining Ginn, Gettis, Pilares, or Joe fuging Adams out wide to pair with Brandon LaFell?

I don't know if Austin is worth #14 and definitely don't know how he'll turn out, but if they decide he's the guy then fuging bravo for addressing a hole that's been there as long as DT.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:15 PM

Also, I wanted to point out that the signing of Ted Ginn should tell you all you need to know about how the staff feels about Adams right now.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:21 PM

Tavon Austin is working out with 49ers. What are they thinking?

Dont they know we have Joe Adams and would give him up for a 7th! Someone link this thread to the powers that be...

2013

The year of JOE ADAMS..according to th op.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:13 PM

Also, I wanted to point out that the signing of Ted Ginn should tell you all you need to know about how the staff feels about Adams right now.

good point.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

Comparison is rediculous.

If you like another WR in the draft, that's understandable. Or you think we need another position at that pick, that's fine. Saying NO to Tavon becasue of some outlandish comparison is silly.

Then people say Ginn this, Ginn that. It's a one year deal, he's not the future. I think Gettleman knew our return game was terrible, and signed Ginn as a backup in case Tavon isn't there for him. It's possible.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

Even tho i think Austin is gonna be a good player, i still scratch my head at how people think he is gonna be some unstoppable weapon in the NFL.I mean this is Pro football, there are ways to take anybody out of a game unless they player is just so physically and athletically gifted that they are hard to stop. And Austin is lacking in the physical department and he wont dominate off his speed. I guarantee it.

And then there are things like this that some how go unoticed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbNvW-2dx1w

Vaccaro was able to cover Austin pretty well in that game and he is not even that fast and overrated to some people. But i will say again, its not that i dont think Austin is gonna be great player its just that i dont think he will dominate in the ways people keep claiming he will and i think we need some thing different than what he offers at a 14th pick overall. Thats all.



If Vaccaro did such a great job covering Austin, then how come Austin still had 10 rec for 102 yards?

If you had watched the game Vaccaro looked terribel except for a few plays.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:08 PM

Regardless of how he compares, we aren't taking him at 14.


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