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Wilt Chamberlain's resume

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Source for that info is mostly Bill Simmons's book. Obviously I haven't seen the games either, so just going off of his information and the tape he watched doing his research. He's also biased being a Celtic fan, so I understand any reservation about my post as factual.

Dont rely on Simmons, he's an ESPN guy and extremely biased. You could see in his Russell interview over the all star break how he was tryna goad Russ into saying he had more "will" and was a better player than Wilt and Russ wouldnt do it. He kept speaking so high of him and said he was the best player he ever faced. Russell even narrated the recent "Wilt100" special on NBATV. Check out Wilt's 3 books along with Russell's autobiography. They give a better perspective on that time and era than anything you will absorb.

As for Wilt's numbers, yes, they're impressive and never will be matched. But if you put Dwight in his prime in the same era...he would have inflated numbers as well. The game wasn't vertical then. There weren't as many athletes and high flying guys as today. Wilt hardly ever went against more than 1 guy even close to his size.

Neither does 7'4 Roy Hibbert, but he's not tearing the league up now is he? Size means very little without skill. And Wilt is the most skilled big of all time. He even stated, height is OVERRATED. Wingspan and attitude are what makes for greatness in the paint anyway. Wilt faced more HOF and Top 50 big men than Dwight Howard. Who are the HOFers Dwight faces? Byron Mullens? DeMarcus Cousins? Tyson Chandler? These are the guys Wilt faced...

Walt Bellamy

Bob Pettit

Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Elvin Hayes

Jerry Lucas

Dolph Schayes

Clyde Lovelette

Bob McAdoo

Bill Russell

Nate Thurmond

Dave Cowens

Bob Lanier

Wes Unseld

Sure Dwight could play in Wilt's era. But he's gonna be taking a lot more punishment, dirty play, and less favorable calls from refs in 1960's basketball than he would be today. I also don't think Dwight has the footwork, the touch, or endurance to play at the pace that they played back then and put up Wilt's #'s. People never factor that in when looking at that teams in that era. You had to really be in shape to get up and down and post 100+ every night, and you didnt have the gazillion TV timeouts and breaks that you do nowadays.

As far as the Celtics voting...again, it's Boston. The discrimination was rampant and the poo Russell, Wilt, Oscar, etc. had to put up with was ridiculous. A white guy's city, with white stars through every decade, are going to vote the white guy as their favorite. Doesn't mean they're better players at all...sadly just how it worked. If Wilt were on those same Boston teams...especially with his flamboyant nature compared to Russell's...I almost guarantee he would've had it worse and not been as well liked compared to Russell among the bigoted fans. Not to mention fans are often times idiots.

Point well noted, but I do think a lot of those guys ARE HOFers and great players and played a big part in those rings as much as Russell. It just shows the talent advantage and coaching that Boston had over the league at that time. So again I say team accomplishment. But individually, Russ is not a goliath like Wilt. His name isnt all over the record books. Teams did not triple team him. There were not rule changes concocted with the sole purpose of STOPPING Bill Russell. Great winner, but not the level of player of Dippy.

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Comparing players from different eras is tough, but its even tougher with those playing back in the 60s. No one could shoot jumpshots well, and the league as a whole was very short, very unathletic, and very white compared to today.

Take Bill Russell- greatest winner in NBA history, fantastic defender, led his team past Wilt all those times. But I just cant see him being a hall of famer if he played today. A 6'9 center who specializes on defense, very limited offensively, and isnt overly athletic. Sounds like Ben Wallace

Wilt would have been much more interesting playing today- he has the height and athleticism to match up with today's big men, and you get the feeling the increased competition would have brought more out of him (Wilt seemed to get bored playing back in the day, why else would he lead the league in assists one year). Who knows how his game would have developed- I'm sure he would've appreciated the real court spacing of todays NBA

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it's all about timing...Kobe just passed Wilt on the all time scoring leaders list! and yes I know, it took him almost 200 games more!

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Honestly, KT, I really can't dispute anything that you said other than you going back to "So Chalmers > CP3?". Rings are what matters in the end, but Chalmers has never been in the discussion with CP3. Chalmers isn't a 5 time MVP, 11 time All-Star, 5 time rebounding champion, etc. Russell has all of the awards and stats to stake a claim that he an Wilt are comparable. Obviously Wilt is probably the most dominant player ever, and there will never be another who compares statistically, but I'm still not sure if I would put him over Russell in my top 10 list, just like I probably wouldn't put Shaq over Duncan (although those two are more comparably stats wise than Wilt/Russell).

Also, thatlookseasy -- one thing that you are wrong about is Bill Russell not being athletic. Bill Russell's athleticism was on par with Wilt's athleticism. I think that is one thing that I can say and be fully confident about in this discussion.

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Good post KT. I'll still take Russell if I'm starting a team (smart or not), almost like I'd take Jeter in his prime (despite him not being an MVP guy most of his career). Can't go wrong with either though.

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I'd take Jordan over any of em.

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I'd take Jordan over any of em.

Well yeah, he's the undisputed GOAT lol.

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that house is pretty fuging awesome

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IMO Adam Morrison is the greatest college basketball player of all time

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IMO Adam Morrison is the greatest college basketball player of all time

He's also reached the pinnacle of success in the NBA, a World Championship.

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Well yeah, he's the undisputed GOAT lol.

Not according to Wiltie or Bill Russell.

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Not according to Wiltie or Bill Russell.

Oh really? I tried to look it up to see for myself, but couldn't find anything in a quick search. Not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to see the quote. Although, I suppose that it still wouldn't change my mind.

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