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[quote name='DaCityKats' timestamp='1364516293' post='2179924']
would Richardson beat out Dwan for the 3 tech spot, and if i recall a first rounder should be a day 1 starter. plus he will turn 25 at the end of the season, so i would think he has just as many question marks as any other prospect.
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Who thought Kuechly would take Beason spot last season?

Plus you usually play 2 DT in a 4-3. And we rotate a lot now.

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[quote name='BlueBoyRamses_E1b1a' timestamp='1364517268' post='2179947']

We can't be drafting a defensive player every year though. Chicago always have one of the best defenses in the league and their coach got fired. The best defenses in the league get 35 put on them on a weekly basis. And we can't rely on this read-option stuff until Cam blow his ACL.
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And The Saints had the #1 offense and still had the same record as us.

So defense is still kinda important.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1364519007' post='2179980']
Who thought Kuechly would take Beason spot last season?

Plus you usually play 2 DT in a 4-3. And we rotate a lot now.
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Beason could not stay healthy, and was underperforming.show me a team that plays two 3 tech? now remember you said a #3 WR is not worth a 1st round pick, so a #3 DT is? why?

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[quote name='DaCityKats' timestamp='1364519984' post='2179999']

Beason could not stay healthy, and was underperforming.show me a team that plays two 3 tech? now remember you said a #3 WR is not worth a 1st round pick, so a #3 DT is? why?
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Tampa Bay with Waren Sapp and Booger McFarland.

Again who thought Beason would get hurt or under perform?

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1364520213' post='2180006']
Tampa Bay with Waren Sapp and Booger McFarland.

Again who thought Beason would get hurt or under perform?
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so you mean to tell me that Sapp and McFarland both line up as 3 techs? neither guy was responsible for playing as a NT or 1 tech? you de realize that you are leaving both A gaps uncovered by lining up your 2 DTs in between the OG and OT. now your LBs are going to get killed by the C and OG because they can get to the 2nd level with ease. i can see this in a passing situation maybe, but you are asking to get run on in certain situations.


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the second guy from the right( on the DL) is the 3 tech, the other guy is a 1 tech. this is the tampa 2 defense that Boger and Sapp played in. Boger played the 1 tech, not 3 tech.

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[quote name='DaCityKats' timestamp='1364520995' post='2180029']
so you mean to tell me that Sapp and McFarland both line up as 3 techs? neither guy was responsible for playing as a NT or 1 tech? you de realize that you are leaving both A gaps uncovered by lining up your 2 DTs in between the OG and OT. now your LBs are going to get killed by the C and OG because they can get to the 2nd level with ease. i can see this in a passing situation maybe, but you are asking to get run on in certain situations.


[img]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/72812/tampa2jpg.jpg[/img]

the second guy from the right( on the DL) is the 3 tech, the other guy is a 1 tech. this is the tampa 2 defense that Boger and Sapp played in. Boger played the 1 tech, not 3 tech.
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http://ind.scout.com/2/581106.html

Booger was a 3tech playing 1 tech and was way smaller then Dwan and Sheldon. So 2 3tech have been lined up at the same time.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1364521663' post='2180043']
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Booger was a 3tech playing 1 tech and was way smaller then Dwan and Sheldon. So 2 3tech have been lined up at the same time.
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lmao he is not a 3 tech if he line up at 1 tech NT. he may have had the size and skills to play 3 tech but he played the 1 tech. Dwan has proved to not be that good at run defense or taking on more then 1 blocker which is what a NT does, so are you willing to play Sheldon there at the 1 tech? if so every NFL team will thank you for doing so.

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Richardson would have to take Dwan's starting spot to be worth it, he just wouldn't see the field enough the next two years otherwise as you can't play Dwan and Sheldon at the same time, you wanna talk about poor run defense...lol
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[quote name='DaCityKats' timestamp='1364522131' post='2180050']
lmao he is not a 3 tech if he line up at 1 tech NT. he may have had the size and skills to play 3 tech but he played the 1. Dwan has proved to not be that good at run blocking or taking on more then 1 blocker which is what a NT does, so are you willing to play Sheldon there at the 1? if so every NFL team will thank you for doing so.
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Ok let me explain this Booger was a 3tech coming out of LSU (as Richardson Now) and play the 1 tech because the Tampa 2 depends on speed and quickness out of their DT's instead of Bluk and strength.

Just like the Wide nine in Philly with Cox and Jenkins last year. Which both are considered 3 tech in that defense.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1364522783' post='2180060']
Ok let me explain this Booger was a 3tech coming out of LSU (as Richardson Now) and play the 1 tech because the Tampa 2 depends on speed and quickness out of their DT's instead of Bluk and strength.

Just like the Wide nine in Philly with Cox and Jenkins last year. Which both are considered 3 tech in that defense.
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considered yes, but again if Booger did not line up at the 3 tech DT how is he a 3 tech?Jerel Worthy was a 3 tech coming out of MSU, but got drafted to play a 5 tech in a 3-4. Tampa 2 NT will still have to be able to take on a double to free up the LBs, or they will get killed by the opposing OL. Cox and Jenkins are 2 guys who have shown the ability to play 2 gaps either in the pros or college so they could play NT some if need be. Booger played NT 1 tech, when Sapp was on the field. again no team would line up 2 DTs as 3 techs because you are leaving 2 gaps unattended to.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1364522783' post='2180060']
Ok let me explain this Booger was a 3tech coming out of LSU (as Richardson Now) and play the 1 tech because the Tampa 2 depends on speed and quickness out of their DT's instead of Bluk and strength.

Just like the Wide nine in Philly with Cox and Jenkins last year. Which both are considered 3 tech in that defense.
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Carolina runs neither of those systems and the system in place in Carolina really needs a big NT to clog the middle. So they both wouldn't start, one would be a reserve and see maybe 20 snaps a game at most. I doubt they'd take someone that would see so little time as I doubt he'd start right away.

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[url="http://ind.scout.com/2/581106.html"]http://ind.scout.com/2/581106.html[/url]

Booger was a 3tech playing 1 tech and was way smaller then Dwan and Sheldon. So 2 3tech have been lined up at the same time.
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I would add, in today's game. Pass rushers are a premium. Not run stuffers. Pass rushers used to be considered specialists. Well, in todays game, run stuffers are the specialists now.

I do believe folks put too much stock in the terms UT and NT. If you can play. Chances are good you will see the feild.. It is just a name given to the guy playing a certain position in a certain alignment.

All that said, we still need to add another kid to the DL. Hardy-3 years ago. Alexander-last year. Add another this year and keep perpetuating the cycle. Sound familiar. That does not mean a 1st rounder. Just a kid you believe can play. Perferably a 3-4th round guy. But hey, that's just me.

I want playmakers with my first two picks. Those usually come from conventional positions like WR, RB, and QB on Offense. With CB and DE for the Defense. Take RB, QB, and DE off the list and it leaves you with WR and CB. With DT heading the list of runner-ups.

Man, talk about a tangent. If you run a 4-3 you need 2 DTs. As long as they get it done, I don't care what they look like.

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